Hey guys, I was hoping to get some of your opinions/experiences of where or how you have experienced your biggest moves forward as far as pick up goes. Have you gotten better results from working on your inner game or on routines/outter game? For me it has been up and down. In the beginning I saw some great results from just learning things like the MM. Then I worked on changing some of my belief system and just concentrated on being in a great mood and having fun when I went out. Now I am sorta all over the place and was hoping to hear what your experiences were.

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~Carmo~

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~Carmo~

This thread caught my attention because like you I had/have great opening success through what I've learned from the game.Sometimes it even baffles me...But I have encountered a big big stumbling block...And that is there is no real me. Nothing I can offer a young lady...which is why I either get shot down really quickly or only get to first base...That has lead me to re-evaluate where I am and what I am doing... I plan to stop gaming and sort my life, work and health out...I intend to follow Gunwitch method 2. I've heard a lot of good stuff about that.

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Same for me in some ways. For a while I felt like my happiness depended on how well I was gaming at the time which I know is a really really really bad place to be. I would go through a lot of emotional ups and downs so I decided to concentrate more on improving the quality of life and making me happy via career, health, friends, personal growth. I am thinking that this may not be the quickest way to getting great with women but it is probably the healthiest and longest lasting.

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Yeah . . . I mean last year alone i was literally shocked how easy it was to get a girl's number and set up a day 2. I mean i was pickin up girls at bus stops, fast food franchises, clubs gyms . . . You name it, i had done it . . . And i truly believe every one of those girls would have fucked me if i had the confidence to back it up. . . The point is none of them got any further than day 2. And the yo yo effect it had on my emotional health was killin me. . . You know if a method isn't doing what you want it to, you gotta man up and say to that method . . . Step into my office because your fucking sacked. . . I realised you can't build a house on sand. . . Seriously google gunwitch method 2. It will help you find your sun. Good luck on your journey man.

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Ok, it is a question of where in the game you are. If you start from zero on both inner and outer game than outer game will get you further faster. Then you stop developing until you realize that you gotta work your inner game. You do and then you build your outer game again until you get stuck... Then inner game and so on. Until you reach the point where you realize that all you have learned can be replaced with inner game.
The problem is that you rarely see anyone getting that kind of inner game without going through this process so you cant just skip it alltogether.

But to answer your question. I became 5 times better when I learned outer game and 10 times better when I learned inner game... and 100 times better when I understood inner game.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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Simple recipe. Work on the important parts of each.

30 minutes on outer game
60 minutes on inner game

90 minutes a week and you'll be better then 99% of guys in this community in a couple months... the key is boiling it down and working on the things that are important... most guys don't make great progress because they work on fringe issues insted of attacking the heart of the matter.