I've tried to do things that are said here, from natural game to none.
In one on ones it's fine,
but with friends in a group it doesn't seem to be. I always end up getting cut out with some silly comment which ends up getting more attention.
When i use stories etc, interest doesn't arouse despite enthusiam + gestures.
Is it just that drunk people are easily amused?
I have a friend who constantly insults people and has 9999 comebacks to anything.
He gets more attention than anyone, with REAL vivid sexual references and jokes towards to ladies.
With the whole negs bullshit nignog, when i use it they're like then the guy will be like, no she's actually really pretty or something. So wtf? Then she'll be like, woah the other guy's nicer.
You say make THEM chase? I have friends who CHASE girls and get more successful than me when I LEAD and make them chase me.
Looks like all this PUA crap doesn't apply to teenagers.

I'm pissed off as I've used the stuff i learnt here and it just fucks me in the face.

Yes, I know girls like attention but say this.
3 Guys, 1 Girl. We're walkin back to mine, aftermath. She's still drunk, us 3 are fine... in my room sitting there. BAM, I hesitated to start a real conversation as the guys would just be like wtf and not really comprehend it, so i ended up saying some stuff, adding contributions but had period of silences.
She was bein all giggly, you know you get them girls, the giggle little cute minxes, who act like hamsters etc.
He started throwing porn references, cum in mouth, jizz, anal and triple gang bang stuff. She was loving it, i was literally STUNNED at the fact. This seems to work with majority of girls. And now he's full on obsessin bout her etc, like a lil schoolboy. Surely this isn't the mentality i want.

Please, anyone in my situation or think they can help please post.
I'm a confused guy.

Well in my opinion you have not to go out together with your friend who insults everyone, I also have such a friend and I well know that I can't flirt with girls when he is around me. He also we comment everything kind I say to the girl.

It's usual the PUA doesnt work on drunk girls

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Hey mate, I understand what you're goin through, and I know what you mean by the confusion trying to get girls chasing you. When puas say that you need them to chase, it's actually about you giving them the opportunities to chase you. You have to let them know that you are open to the idea, but not that they can just have you. You need to make them want you, without appearing that you want them more than they want you. Basically, as they start showing they're more and more into you, you relax and start gradually showing you're more and more into them.

Next, you have to be very alpha when you tease and neg girls. You have to prove that you're good enough to be allowed to neg them. That's why the popular guy in your school can tease girls and tell them things that you can't. If you tried that and acted beta when you did it, she would be offended.

Remember it's about tempting her emotions, push her back and forth, and intrigue her. Never fully let her know who you are, and never let her control you. If you do this you'll be sweet.

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Even the most naturally gifted can learn to become better.

i agree with stand up, i'm a teenager aswell and lets be honest not all teenage girls are up for the idea and thats when you alter your game you dont need to change it alot but you know how its is some stuff just doesnt work with some girls, and as stand up said yes itss all about the confidence if you say it with confidence and give out a little chuckle and what not there not going to take it as an offence, and also if your friends so good ask him to wing for you, help you out a little

This stuff works if you do it right.

Its like getting into the car, trying to start the engine without the key and using the windshieldwipers to steer.

Well, obviously, if your nor getting it to work you are missing something.

Above all, what you are missing is the reason why your friend is successful. He is being confident. He is showing that he is not apologizing about beiong a sexual person, he is not afraid, confident, the center of attention, funny, alpha male. You see, that is attraction switches. In short the girls see his inner game shine through.

You do a lot of stuff and dont expect it to work, no wonder it doesnt work.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

so just be ALL out?
as in mad, crazy, confident, centre of attraction, radical, unpredicted, shock+awe?

I don't know what to say? After a while i get pissed off at the fact the convo just stays at teasin her when there's 3 guys and it's like.. i don't even need this shit.

I wanted like a semi-nice conversation instead of kiddy shit for 2 hours.

Confident, yeah okay. What do I say? I know the basics but literally, I can't say proper convo topics, i can't start a story, no one will listen as it's still the banter.

I personally get annoyed after like 30 mins of continuous shit from him, like insults, put you down stuff, stuff like that. Where he fails is mid-game with the actual talking getting to know each other. That's where I come in.

Just he gets them to giggle so much and the stuff that comes outa his mouth is words of an 8 year old making friends with another.

If the guys replying on here would really wanna help and understand/ have been in this situation please PM me. Your help be appreciated beyond words.
Thanks to all so far.

No you misunderstand.

It is not about being all out! What he is doing is crude but it works. There are better ways of doing it though. Confidence is the key but not all.

He plows, bullshit baffles brain. He keeps pushing and pushing and that shows dominance. Most guys hate guys like that because in our opinion it is stupid. And it is. But from a girls point of view it is not about being smart. It is about the feeling you get. If he can make them relax and just listen to his BS then that is what they value. Not that he talks about intelligent things. The thing is that you will not get very far just knowing one thing, you gotta master it all.

People like "us" always put a lot of value in being able to talk about interesting stuff, to have something behind the outer mask. To be intelligent, the inside counts... Yeah, and you know why? Because we are terrified that maybe the outside is what counts.

The secret is, the outside does count but what is important is the inside. That is if you have an interesting outside so that she will want to see your inside. If you start off being intelligent you will be a moodkiller. Girls dont party because they like to solve equations, they party because they wanna relax and have fun.

If you can get a girl to relax and have fun then you are halfway there.

So drop all pride, all the things that you think that you like and dislike and start worrying about what works and not instead. Yes you would prefer to have a meaningful conversation. Yeah, I would prefer it if Paris Hilton and Britney Spears came over to my house for sex every night and if Shakira drove me to work every morning but thats not gonna happen.

What you should think about is this, do you want your game to improve, are you prepared to change your behaivour to make it happen.

If not, then there is nothing anyone can do for you.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

to be real? I know what you're saying but come on, how do you guys get insentive to talk this 'bull'. I can't actually thank of half the horsepissshit which comes outa some guys mouth, some of it actually makes me go 'wtf'?

To talk abit bout myself, I'm usually the 'dancer' of the party, in a social group I usually lead my friends, usually the one who's closer to everyone else individually too. I can joke around but also have a deeper side in which I find is where relationship truly connects.

yeah, I have to work on my First Impressions more. But seriously I have no idea how to start, the PUA forum consists of mainly openers, 'funny' lines, situational stuff, yeah I should do it with confidence etc and PRACTICE is the key.

I guess I gotta learn how to be a prick but only for the first 20 mins of introduction.

You say there are 'better ways of doing it' what do you mean?

I don't wanna completely change myself as if I turn out like an insulter, I'd hate myself for turning like this JUST to be with some girls who like that. Is there not a 'STEP-UP' from constant tease/ insults and sexual reference flirting?

How would I out-alpha him but not be a dick to him? He's a mate of mine

I dont say be like him. I say be better than him! He is a bad example because he lacks style.

I do not go around saying crap like taht either. Better ways. Increase your energy level. Be more active. Learn the difference between cocky-funny and insulting. Use that! There is an art to teasing as well. You could say semi sexual things, you really just have to hint at it. Girls love to talk about sex as well.
It is difficult to out alpha someone who already has an opinion about you. But in general, you need to be stronger. Not be shocked by the shit he says. Just lock eyes with one of the girls and give her a "I know he is like that but we like him anyway" look. Just dont let him take all the space, step in there and join in, dont say anything you dont wanna say but you gotta at least be there showing that your energy matches his.

Do not be a dick! Be a good guy, and spend some time in the inner game section of this forum, there is a lot of great stuff there!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Ezo, love you man.
Cheers for that kickin, needed it.
I'll be sure to be hittin you up with some PMs in the future, you're decent.

Yeh, Ezo is right, be better. It's about making the girl interested in whatever you're interested in. Women are attracted to passion, if you're bold, unappologetic and passionate about what you're talking about, she'll listen.

Negging and teasing is only part of building attraction, it's fun, and if you still find it hard to enjoy conversations with these girls, have intellectual conversations with your male friends.

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Even the most naturally gifted can learn to become better.

Definately PM me and remind me if I dont reply. I am always available for help!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Agreed, it's the confidence your friend's showing, that's why he seems successfull.

Keep doing your thing, be confident, have your jokes, maybe some sexual, but don't cross the line. Vary your game, keep her wondering.