All of this is social conditioning.

Society and hollywood telling you "nerd guy who's sweet and enamored with girl can still build attraction and have SUPER hotties want to mate with him"

It's all BS, and it's best for you to see it that way.

It kinda pisses me off in a way honestly.

I think Tyler addresses this in RSD (Blueprint Decoded) when he talks about how he has this resentful type feeling in his gut about social conditioning and it making him see things totally differently and giving him all these stupid insecurities and beliefs earlier in his life.

I feel him on that one. It pisses me off guys see this stuff, and think it's ok and improving their lives to act like these submissive little pansies in hopes that their sweetness and submissiveness will somehow find a super hotty that "likes them for who they are"

Rrrrr.. enough ranting. But seriously, kinda makes me mad

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I thought the movie was pretty good.

Especially the flight show scene with Jack, he knows stuff.

Social conditioning happens through a lot of things....not just movies. But romantic comedies have also set a false precedent for the way men SHOULD romance a lady. Women everywhere believe romance is like what they see in the movies and then are frustrated when their man doesn't do cute little things or make a fool of himself to win her back.

Movies also condition us (women) that we need to be a size 2 or 4 to be attractive. Guys oogle celebrities and models which make normal women feel crappy and inferior. People forget that celebrities and models are actually "freaks" in the sense that their looks are not normal.

So the point is, yes movies create unreal expectations and condition men to act a certain way.....but what doesn't condition us? We are products of our biology and our environment....that will never change.

Here's my take on this:

Who cares if society is fucked up? Seriously, as long as I have things clear on my own mind I dont care about what the movies might say.
Bonita, I belive that men can do an extra effort. I do cute little things for my GF every day, because I enjoy it. Love is about giving. Attraction is not, and I can understand where are you coming from if you were talking about attraction.

When I get into some kind of relationship with a girl, I try to make it special. Sometimes my life feels like a romantic novel. Thats because I like literature and I want my life to be beautiful.

Men should make an effort to make women happy. Thats why I got into this stuff, to make women happy (one girl at a time).

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It is society that says this good looking people are better off than ugly people no matter how much you try to tell yourself this isn't true people like pretty people

Have any of you guys seen this movie? You should- it's actually pretty damn funny, and since there are NO good comedies out in theaters right now, this is about as close as you're going to get to a "Hangover"-type comedy now-a-days.

Look, the movie itself is not at all about pick up. The guys in the movie don't know what they're talking about, and everything ends up in a tidy bow at the end. Basically, it's about this guy who has a girl make all the moves. He's just himself- this nerdy, awkward, but funny and sweet type of guy. The girl somehow looks beyond his average looks and finds the beauty within (yes, that's as ridiculous and unrealistic as it sounds).

The only advice the movie gives is to not be down on yourself. This guy loses the girl (=*SPOILER ALERT* He gets her back at the end of the movie) because of his own insecurities- he & his friends can't believe that he's good enough for her, that he is incapable of loving her and being a good boyfriend, when reality she loves him for just the way he is. Sappy, right?

But the message is nice. There's no such thing as "leagues", and it's all about embracing who you are and becoming the best possible "you" that you can be.

I think you guys read too much into stuff. Although I do enjoy that there are so many romantic comedies out there now that are more geared towards men and the gullabilities of women. Ghost of G/F's Past, He's Just Not that Into You, and The Ugly Truth for a few examples.

Honestly, as far as social conditioning I agree about the women's movement. I have heard that argument from several gurus in the past. Gary Brodsky comes to mind. It really makes a lot of sense.

I watched it recently and it was decent although the main character had a lot to work on, especially body language and tonality. Anyways, I enjoyed watching it because it was fun analyzing the situation while watching the movie. Like what went wrong, what went right and what would have been a better solution in certain situations.

I also watched the bounty hunter, and although it got bad ratings, I actually liked it lol, thought it was funny.

I'm going to disagree with y'all in saying that I don't think it promotes wimpyness or AFC'ness or whatever you want to call it. This guy's lack of self-confidence and putting this woman on a pedestal almost causes him to lose her. It doesn't make you want to emulate him, it makes you want to not make the same mistakes and not sacrifice your self-respect.

Now in true Hollywood fashion they still end up getting back together, which is the most unrealistic part of the whole movie, but overall my take-home lesson is that even hot chicks have their insecurities. I mean consider this girl: She let a bunch of jerks walk all over her before going out with him. She eventually gets fed up with it and then she decides to settle for a guy who while he lacks quality in other areas is at least genuine with her if nothing else. Doesn't speak too highly of her self-esteem, now does it?

And it's not impossible to believe that if a guy randomly stumbles across an opportunity to genuinely DHV to a hot girl, and he does so (not as bragging, which is actually DLV), but actually demonstrates it, as he does in the scene at the airport, that he could end up attracting her even if his game is off in many other ways. It does happen from time to time, it's just very rare, and it's unlikely such a man will keep the girl even if he can initially attract her.

And it is true that being with a quality partner will motivate you to try to be a better person yourself. Success feeds your energy and motivates you like nothing else. But you can't rely on it to happen first. This guy clearly got lucky. The movie does not portray it as anything else. I don't read it as encouraging the rest of us to try and replicate the script. Besides, someone who gets his life advice from Hollywood has got other problems!

It's just a movie, people!

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