I wouldn't consider myself a pro by any stretch of the imagination, but I've had my fair share of success in opening and closing small female-only sets. But my epic downfall is my inability to maintain dominance in a set when other dudes are present. It's gotten so bad to the point where my approach anxiety is preventing me from opening sets with guys included. I'm about 5'11" 170 lbs with a babyface and it's so intimidating approaching a set with 2 6'4" 250 lbs dudes wearing skin tight affliction shirts.

I've always been under mystery's philosophy that you have to win over some respect from the guys in the group in order to get any attraction from the girls, or quickly isolate the girls and portray the guys as rude if they interrupt the conversation. My buddy and I have been trying to work out a way wing each other and occupy the guys but I feel like the more complicated you get the more likely something is going to backfire. Any tips or advice for dealing with this and getting over this anxiety?

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Id like to see an answer to this too.

I know what you mean about the large guys in affliction shirts lol there seems to be a lot of those in Pittsburgh...Its a difficult situation as it seems a lot of guys around here and very protective of the girls they are with, which makes opening these sets difficult. Definitely agree you need to earn the respect of the men, interested to see how you guys pull this off?

I have no AA opening all girls sets and I commonly open mixed sets that include "weaker" looking males. Still have trouble with sets including guys like the OP described

my technique in situations where the guys are being protective of the girls, is to identify the set, wait until a guy leaves the set (be it for a drink, a piss, to sarge another set, it doesn't matter) and then i follow him... casually bump into him. and start a conversation. He'll be way less aggressive and protective if he thinks that you are more interested in him.

Then when he returns to the initial set, wait a few minutes, and then casually, drink in hand, go up and start a conversation. You're in. It's that easy.

note. this did backfire once on me, when i started a conversation up with a guy as i was washing my hands in the bathroom, and he started hitting on me pretty hard, and then when i finally approached his group he grabbed my ass, and i just couldn't get my game on after that.

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Guys are the easiest targets. Open the guys first, give them a compliment, talk about something then quickly transfer the conversation to the girls. You established yourself as a non-threat to the guys and you even payed them respects so you are not perceived as an enemy. Do this well enough and the guys will even welcome you into their set.

Reminds me of a story at a club, me and my wing were out and he was trying to get into this one large group of guys and girls on the dance floor and was getting the cold shoulder from every single one of the girls. So I walked up to one of the guys said something nice about his ear ring (which was actually gay) had a short conversation with him about nothing and suddenly I was part of the group and being pulled into the center of attention.

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I agree with everything, but the compliment, I usually just open it with casual convosation or kind of seems to me complimenting a guy in front of girls would add value to him or make u seem weird, but maybe its just me... other thing u should never do is being intimadated, it just like high school, the bullies could always smell the ones who where scaried, but if u were willing to man up.. and be cool, then u got the respect, and they wouldn't mess with u... same goes for the club..

How about trying this method out.

I don't sarge sets with guys in them, I would rather having a higher chance of getting more female friends rather than guys. That's what I joined this community for and that's what I'm getting. It's funny, in school I'm not considered much but in my town I'm probably considered the town's second or first best pick up artist.

How do we get the guys to become friends with you without any form of interaction with them? Simple, get a shit load of hot female friends. Take them to any outings then ask yourself who the alpha male is, who is he? The guy over at the bar talking to the set with the 2 woman and the competing male or the PUA who just walked in with 5 excessively hot females? Exactly Preselection is already built.

If you go by mystery's philosophy then surely you believe that by being friends with the alpha male will give you a better chance of getting laid. Well to the other guys in the club, by hanging out with you will give them a chance of getting laid and at the same time will improve your social circle because you can then start sarging their hot female friends.

So the solution is, start sarging sets that are all girls, worry about the guys later.

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