Hey all

I thought I'd open a bit of a discussion about the concept of "looks don't matter" I find people throw this around a lot but just to put it in perspective for people lets share out experiences and thoughts.

I think looks don't matter when it comes to pick up, however it doesn't mean that it doesn't help you to pick up. For example... A guy who is considered very good looking but who has very little game, would probably have the same chance at picking up than a average looking guy with really good game.
If u don't have the looks you gotta improve game. I've been in situations where i'd be talking and doing well with a girl and my mate who has no game comes over and the girls always say to me who's your friend he's hot blah blah arg f*&k here we go again haha.

I greatly disagree with this, a person cannot pick up a girl without creating some sort of connection with her through genuine conversation. She needs to feel comfortable around the PUA.

A guy who is good looking may have the pre-emptive advantage when opening but if he has no inner game and cannot keep a conversation flowing nor generate any sexual escalation through kino then it won't be long until the girls start thinking "jeez, this guy is a bore."

However, if the less good looking guy approaches and shows greater inner game and can create a connection with the ladies then they'll start to think "wow, this guy isn't that good lookin but damn he's interesting!" That connection will create attraction through value.

If you're referring to yourself that you're not good looking then go out and game, if you successfully K-close or #-close then it answers your question.

AFCCoffee

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I kinda agree with the original poster and AFCCoffee. Let me explain...

Original poster, I agree because I've had this happen to me as well. See my post on Proximity. I know I can outgame them. I am not saying I am ugly but I am also no male model. Very average looking. I have this friend who has male model looks, girls find him attractive but hey, guess what... I outgame him every weekend. You know how well being friends with him makes it so much easier for me to game. The girls open him, he has no personality then they fall for me, this is where I agree with AFCCoffee. It is easy to outgame the good looking guys without game.

2 of my secrets to outgame attractive guys is as follows:

1. Never in any social setting, whether it is your friend or not, make a person's value higher than your own. Remember, be a leader, show them that your social value is the highest in the place. Make it seem like he wants to be your friend. Make him follow you around. You are the man and the model is also fighting for your attention. Just make your value the highest at all times. Be the high value male.

2. I dont usually peacock but if you have a very attractive friend, male model type. Out peacock him. Dress like a rockstar when you go out with him... Be the man... The game is there, personality is there, now make yourself standout more than his looks do!!!

The wordin is difficult but hope you get what I'm getting at... This really works well for me!

Looks almost always win (8 out of 10, judging by my observations).

Subconsciously people with better looks are treated way much better. They do not need to be funny, social or build comfort. The girl will do her best to keep conversation flowing and will laugh like crazy even if a guy quotes 'Russel Brand' jokes. She won't put him through humiliating shit-tests and tell him nasty stuff like 'F-Off'.

They do not need to bust their asses to fake or earn pre-selection, as they are always popular with females.

Also, most good-looking guys have powerful naturally developed confidence, as they are usually getting whom they want and are rarely rejected/flaked on (unlike most PUAs).

Since most women don't have their own opinion, they don't want their friends spreading rumors about "leaving nightclub with a ugly guy", while there is a club full of gay-looking emo-like "Twilight" protagonist look-a-likes.

All that 'looks don't matter at all' stuff is purely PUA marketing trick for desperate and lonely men.

Thanks man, it's great to know that someone agrees with me.
Though on your two points I totally agree with as well, if successful sarging is done through value then it would make no sense to give value beyond your own value to the attractive dude. Great post man.
On the peacocking, totally correct.. his face may be carved from angels but his face is no match for the power of the colourful peacock!

AFCCoffee

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"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

what does a good looking, ripped 6 foot male have that an average one doesnt? confidence.. whats he got to be self concious about?

what can an average guy do to be measured on the same level? be just as confident, be super fucking confident.

What can an average guy get to out class this mother fucker on every level with girls? super tight game, tighter then his abs.

what does it come down to?
GAME.

In my experience, looks don't equal results my housemate is practically a model all the women want him but because he has no game he manages to sabotage it for himself every time. Me I do alright for myself but I am not a classically attractive guy but I am well groomed when going sarging. That is key, be well groomed and you will be fine.

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