I don't believe in attraction switches.

I don't think comfort has to come after attraction; I don't even think they are seperate phases or EVEN seperate entities by.

And that's without going into MM's specefic techniques and limiting beliefs.

Plenty of PU material published before MM. Your just making huge leaps in logic to draw absurd parrallels and completely bastardising what MM actual consists of to hang on to some hero image of mystery.

MM is complete yes, and detailed, yes, and thought out, yes. But it's flaw with being complete, detailed and thought out, is that... a good portion of what is complete, detailed and thought out within MM is bollocks.

Even that which uses terms or principles such as the linear value system which was popularised by MM is only MM by a 5-10%.

MM was revoloutionary, hepled pave the way for some other styles but miles away from it's modern counter-parts and is largely out-classed.

Any influences of MM are so diluted down that nowadays to consider MM the only method requires massive blinkers or a blatant bastardisation of what MM actually is.

And it's also kinda ignorant of Pick up history itself.

I'm sorry,but this is funny as hell!!!!


But honestly,there is not a specific,perfect,or the best. All methods,theories,techniques consist of a similar foundation and follow similar steps.

For me, MM and The Game,work well for me. It all depends on ur personality and how u handle urself.

So lets stop the debating about this nonsense and help others...this thread ha enough answers as it is.

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MM is for the people that hide there feelings and are scared of sexual rejection how about just being straight foward to a girl and if she rejects you fuck it! Make the hoe say no! as long as you escalate your attractive and it also fucks with alot of peoples heads making them socially awkward

some admin sent me a warning private message about this thread saying it is provoking or something. Well at leasts its not as pointless as some of the comments you guys make... what the hells the point in commenting if u got no point to your input... dont you have anything better to do?

I dont mean to personalize this thread, but this is what I was getting at. I already see that I have a solid Inner game/ Natural game and the only method ive found that actually taught me and improved my game was Mystery Method. Sure David deangelo and the likes of him are great reads too but I dont see them as methods!! So, do you know where I can find love systems?? Id love to learn it

You sir are delusional.

does the mystery method involve wearing black nail polish?

ITT: alot of people who are mad because they didnt know how to interperet the MM effectively into their own style of game so they are against it, but probably still try to use most of its aspects when gaming.

See my post ^^

Night game: I open, talk, sexualise, close.


Day Game: Open, work some conversation to get mutual investment and interest, Close.

Care to show the parrallels between my "method" and MM?

MM is defined by Indirect game through the use of different false disqualifiers to avoid rejection in order to buy enough talking time to seduce.


That's it.... all this oh Direct game is just using SOi's to make her give IOI... BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Direct game contradicts the core tenaments of Mystery Method. All your doing now is trying to apply MM terminology to something which isn't MM.

And then you disregard RJ's stuff becuase it lives in the real world and understands that although a specefic, linear, documented model -however nice an idea- is neither practical nor realistic.

I dont get if this is a rhetorical question? or you want me to point them out.

Night game. You open: well all methods use this. but do you use a unique opener that sparks attraction and interest?? MM involves this

you talk: you havent said what you talk about, but if its general conversation, commonalities, Rapport etc. then you are comfort building. MM also involves this.
if its any sort of routines, gambits etc. well the MM involves this aswell.

you sexualize: in MM this is seduction phase. anything from kino esculation, sexual framing etc, kiss close then bounce to the the sex location. all in the MM.


Im not saying Mystery invented all of this. But these are all in his method!!!!!

what Im getting at is mystery method covers so many aspects of gaming that IMO its the only complete method there is.

Lovesystems is the company that Mystery use to run. He left the company to form his own company after Savoy basically started taking all of the profits (he had left him in charge of finances).

The problem with Mystery himself is that his inner game is horrible and his mindsets are limiting. Lovesystems seems to have a better attitude and teach more calibrated information.

I'm not going to get into this debate about this method or that method or direct or indirect.

All I'm saying is that for me some of the shit that Mystery talks is just plain total nonsense. The guy is a freak. His outlook on life is fucked up. You don't want to learn from this guy. He has a ton of limiting beliefs and fucked up views of women.

I feel the same way about david deangelo, although David has a lot more solid inner game advice than Mystery does.

The thing about some of the guys who teach alterations of mystery method is that they teach it more effectively and have better inner game and so they are better to learn from.

Right now there is this big thing between natural methods that tend to be more direct and indirect methods. The problem with the natural methods is that they don't really give you any point A to point B stuff. If you need a bit of a roadmap it's not very helpful.

I don't think mystery really should get the credit for the method, because he didn't INVENT it.

But i would say, as far as PUA stuff goes, thats generally how the interaction works. i mean, just naturally. it's like you hook up with a chick, and then review everything, you can break it down A1A2A3C1C2C3S1S2S3 etc..

I think that mystery was the person who POPULARIZED the method, and was the best, most eccentric marketieer out of the PUA bunch.

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One more thing to say on the subject is this:

I'm not sure why mystery gets taken so seriously or even got so popular with guys. I realize he is entertaining to watch and listen to but basically a lolt of the finer details of what he is teaching is only necessary with 10's in groups or with their boyfriends.

If your some dude who doesn't get laid much or at all (as it seems many are in this community) and your trying to learn how to get girls mystery is not someone to take to heart. 80 percent of the guys on this forum have never even seen a 10, much less would they even approach her in the situations that mystery talks about where he recommends that you first forwards and backwards merge, then tilt your head at 90 degree's, then strategically neg a times, then this then that then the other.

From an inner game perspective you just have to ask yourself, with the mindframes and attitudes that mystery conveys and teaches -- how is learning his "game" any different than putting a woman up on a huge pedestool as a virgin nice guy. I mean to go through that kind of bs just to try to get a girl to like you?? It's a worst pedestool than the guy who buys her flowwers and takes her on dates.

I go with Madals in this one.

You should be able to develop your own game.. Not using other canned materials.. Yes it is a source of inspiration and yes you could use it but that doesn't mean you have to copycat Mystery..

My two cents, once again, is that I think the METHOD itself is relatively Universal. He didn't invent it, rather documented it and more importantly popularized it. I'm not saying he is the greatest, or his method is the best, but it is IMO the most comprehensive road map.

However,

It's called the MYSTERY method for a reason... Because MYSTERY uses it.

Thats the only person that it really works perfectly for, because its specifically crafted for him.

So in that sense, EVERY PUA should have their own SPECIFIC method.

As PUA's we can certainly draw from sources and other methods, but at the end of the day it HAS to be specific to YOU.

Otherwise it's not nearly as effective as it could be..

So basically Is the MM the best?

No and Yes.

I think in some areas it is the most comprehensive set of information, regarding road-mapping, and most of the terminology that we use is because of him. He really did shape the PUA community, so like him or not, he obviously has influence.

And I don't think Mystery even advocates peacocking as much as he does. It works for him, and it probably wont for you. The material, is pretty good, once again crafted for HIM....

Being a copy of Mystery is NOT being a PUA. And if you are just solely fallowing the MM, than you aren't doing your job as a pick up artist.

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Mystery Method is a fantastic structure. It's the first and to my knowledge only blueprint, that takes you by the hand, and gives you exactly want you need to start picking up girls. After You have the skill to approach, open, neg, DHV, attract, elicit interest, show interest, make out, time bridge, day 2 and have sex with a woman, you don't need to lean anything ells. Though anything extra you learn may speed up the process or make it more fun.

Truthfully, i see the game as a pyramid, with Mystery Method being the foundation layer, and Natural Game being the top block.