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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:14 pm 
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I reached the beach after about an hour walk from my hotel, the whole way I got tons of dirty looks that implied "Such a tourist". Not to blame them though - my light skin probably blinded them, and my map in hand and my lost persona must have given away that I've never before been to Barcelona. My mind wasn't on such matters, though, as what people were thinking of me. I was only thinking of my intentions.

The beach is about a mile long, and packed with good looking girls from every culture. When I got there, this was one of the first things I noticed. It wasn't extremely busy, it being March and all, but there were plenty of girls for me to approach, and I wasn't going to let myself be disappointed. I was going to approach, and it was final. The moment had come.

I walked toward the water, took my shirt off (for good measure, I needed a tan), and removed my shoes to step into the freezing cold water of the Mediterranean. To my left were three english-speaking HB7's, taking pictures and complaining at how cold the water was. Now's your chance, Sharplin.

It took me a few minutes to work up the courage, but finally I forced one foot in front of the other and kind of walked by them. I looked over my shoulder - this was my way of showing that the approach would be quick, and I did not intend to stay and bother them.

APPROACH 1:

"Hey, are you guys English?" I knew they were, but wanted to make sure.

"Yeah."

"Okay, can I quickly get your opinion on something?"

"Um, sure haha." They were pretty welcoming, weren't at all skeptical, and stopped what they were doing to pay attention to me. I was in control at this point.

"Okay great. So who lies more, men or women?" This opener was the only one I could remember as I got to the beach. It seems when your in a social environment and the game is on, you seem to forget the majority of what you need to remember.

"I think men do." Said girl number one. She looked at her friends to see what they thought, but they seemed kind of awkward and didn't really know what to say.

"Okay, really? You think men do? I'm not so sure. What about you, what do you think?" I looked at one of the other friends. I realized at this point that I didn't have anything to follow up with - I was just going with the flow.

"I dont know, I think girls do."

"There you go, I agree, I think girls do. I mean, I know I've never lied in my life, I'm perfectly honest. And that isn't a lie." I said this kind of half-jokingly. The girls laughed, which was either an IOI or they thought it was genuinely funny. Or, they were just being polite. But I went with it. "Alright, well thanks guys." I turned and kept walking down the beach.

I knew the approach was a fail, and I was pretty sure I knew what went wrong. I didn't have a follow up. I was a bit too much in my head. But I wasn't worrying about any of that stuff, I was just basking in the glorious feeling you have after your first real approach - this was my first approach with a girl / girls in a public place that I have never seen before. All my other approaches have been at school with girls I see everyday but don't know very well. I felt great, and I couldn't wipe the smile off my face.

APPROACH 2:

I felt like I needed an insurance approach, an approach that would kind of secure my newfound confidence and prove to myself that I am truly getting better, that my baby steps are making progress. I saw two girls tanning, talking to each other; one was kind of gross and overweight, the other was an HB7 face with an HB9 body. I hovered around for a while, thinking of what to open with; I told myself I wanted to try something new, not the 'who lies more' opener yet again. I thought of something, however stupid it would be, and went for it.

"Are you guys english?"

"Yeah we're english."

"Okay, good. It's so hard to run into english people around here." I said this as I looked out onto the Mediterranean, and already knew that the opener wouldn't work. "Can I ask you a quick question?"

"Sure."

"I'm really no good with geography, is this the Mediterranean or the ocean?" I actually knew this, but needed something to approach with.

"It's the Mediterranean." Said the hot blonde HB9.

"K, are there sharks in the Mediterranean? Cause I just saw a show on the discovery channel and now I'm too terrified to go into the water even a bit." I didn't really know where I was going with this. But whatever.

"I've been in the Mediterranean three or four times and I've never had a problem with them, but I mean I'm sure there are sharks in the Mediterranean." The blonde said again. The fat lady didn't talk.

"Okay great, thanks for your help." I turned and continued my aimless adventure on the Mediterranean coast. I felt good about the approach, even though nothing came from it. I felt like I learned something.

Besides, everybody needs to start somewhere.

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Great job Sharplin. It's always great to hear the stories that get you started because it always seems that people forget that everybody has to start somewhere.

While approaching is half the battle, you seem to have conquered that without a problem.

If I may suggest just from reading your approaches. It seems that you defeated yourself from the approach going anywhere. Its a common mistake most people starting out have, but because your just beginning this, it would be highly beneficial to you, if you went in with the attitude of "im only leaving if one tells me to leave".

The reason for that, is you take away everything from the approach. Its kinda like squeezing an orange. You'll get a lot more juice if you squeeze all the way.

hope fully this helps, either way continuing on your adventure, and have fun

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great job man, always look for whats done right.


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I used almost the exact same baby step methods. The worst thing to do is nothing.


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Great job Sharplin. It's always great to hear the stories that get you started because it always seems that people forget that everybody has to start somewhere.

While approaching is half the battle, you seem to have conquered that without a problem.

If I may suggest just from reading your approaches. It seems that you defeated yourself from the approach going anywhere. Its a common mistake most people starting out have, but because your just beginning this, it would be highly beneficial to you, if you went in with the attitude of "im only leaving if one tells me to leave".

The reason for that, is you take away everything from the approach. Its kinda like squeezing an orange. You'll get a lot more juice if you squeeze all the way.

hope fully this helps, either way continuing on your adventure, and have fun

Sam
Thanks! It is definitely a good feeling to get my first legitimate approach done. I told myself that the approach had to be really quick, so the girls don't feel like I'm sticking or clinging, but I left with barely any saturation and it felt really premature. It almost felt like I was forcing myself to leave, even though the interaction was still fresh. I tell myself 'not to milk the opener', meaning, don't stay after the opener and conversation has run it's natural course. But in this case, the opener and interaction had hardly begun when I was leaving. And i was having fun talking to the girls, which is what game is all about. That's the whole point of it, in my opinion. To get girls, and to have fun. I like interacting with people.

So when I was walking away from that first set, I knew it didn't go that well, but I still felt happy about approaching. But still, I felt like I should have stayed and talked to them longer, instead of just saying a few words and leaving.

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After the opener you need to come out with something fresh today. I opened only one girl last night but after I;d opened her and she wasn;t very responsive I realised I had to ask a question even if it was completely unrelated. We chatted for about a minute and then she asked me to the dancefloor with a wink. I'm actually intimidated by girls like these and because I was stone cold sober I said "nah I'm cool here" - turned out to be a good choice as half an hour later she was openly getting fingered on the dancefloor; I don't want to be that guy.

I crashed the Chartered Institute of Public Financial Accountants annual dinner 2010 today which was full of high flying accountants. Me and my mate wandered in, found there was a party and decided to lock ourselves in by going to the bar. Some woman was talking to me so I thought I'd try it on and see where I got and it turned out as we talked to other people she was earning £500,000 and was trying to chat me up!
You just need to realise not to care. I know it's easily said than done but when you do things spontaneously like we did tonight it's just a lot more fun. Once you start thinking over much and investing time in the situation you become nervous I've found.
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I realized at this point that I didn't have anything to follow up with - I was just going with the flow.
After the initial opener most of your interactions should be like this. I'm not master of cold approaches but when I meet a new girl I make a distinct first impression then go with the flow. You said this in your thread about conversations, remember?
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"Are you guys english?"
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already knew that the opener wouldn't work
Why? Remember your thread, "it's not what you say, but what you convey"?!
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I knew the approach was a fail, and I was pretty sure I knew what went wrong.
Was it a fail? You just said you were happy with it. That to me means it was a success.

If you aimed to seduce her there and then, then yes, it was a fail. But you didn't, you aimed to approach, and you did, so you succeeded.

You can't just have a goal to be an MPUA, you need to break it down into steps, like initially breaking down fear of approaching, then focusing on longer interactions etc, and you did just that. Well done! Just make sure you keep following it up now you've started, I'm starting to get used to the idea knowing I'm going to approach now when I go out.


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I don't get it . . . after all those posts about creative writing and the conversation process, you opened with "Who lies more?"

Couple of thoughts:

If you're on a holiday and she is on a holiday, YOU TWO ARE FUCKING. 1. Less social pressures. (nobody knows her or you) 2. No other worries (if she wanted to fuck her boyfriend, she would have brought him)

The only thing that you need to do is just set up the schedule of events that lead up to the fucking. . . but you can't do this if you're not REAL and you're not conversing about REALITY. . . and you can't be real and converse about reality if you introduce yourself as the "Holiday Quiz Man". What's with the random nonsensical questions?

Holidays are hot discussion topics any time of the year. Hello? YOU ARE ON A HOLIDAY . . . there's no reason to "reach" for topics . . . Utilize the lessons that you taught in your post regarding "conversations"!

Why not open with:

"I love it! This is great isn't it?"

"Watch out . . . thought I saw something on the Discovery Channel about Sharks. Ah, whatever. . . I'll watch your back, you watch mine."

"This isn't cold . . . it's refreshing! Who am I kidding. I'm freezing . . ."

"You guys aren't local are you? Hmm. . . Chinese? . . .No, no . . . Japanese? This sure beats the hell out of freezing your ass off in Tokyo . . "

___________ Blah, Blah, blah__________


"Hey, did you see the ___ club yet? Went last night. Lots of locals. Didn't think people partied so hard here . . ."

"I've been stuffing my face with ______ (food) here. Man that stuff is good. Did you guys try that yet?"

"Did you try that ____ beer (any kind of local drink/cocktail) The _____ right next to where I am staying makes killer _____."

___________ blah, blah, blah ______________


"What are you guys up to tonight?"
(If they answer something specific)
"Hey, I was thinking about that . . . do you hear good things about it?" - (They will almost always invite you)

(If they answer, "I don't know")
"How about we check out ________ (What ever you spoke about earlier. You'd know that they'd like it because you SOLD IT. They already went WOW, that sounds like fun)

___________ Intermission ____________

Now when you meet up again, you're no longer strangers. When you see each other, you hug and kiss both sides of the cheeks "European style" and get the sexuality rolling . . .


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I don't get it . . . after all those posts about creative writing and the conversation process, you opened with "Who lies more?"

Couple of thoughts:

If you're on a holiday and she is on a holiday, YOU TWO ARE FUCKING. 1. Less social pressures. (nobody knows her or you) 2. No other worries (if she wanted to fuck her boyfriend, she would have brought him)

The only thing that you need to do is just set up the schedule of events that lead up to the fucking. . . but you can't do this if you're not REAL and you're not conversing about REALITY. . . and you can't be real and converse about reality if you introduce yourself as the "Holiday Quiz Man". What's with the random nonsensical questions?

Holidays are hot discussion topics any time of the year. Hello? YOU ARE ON A HOLIDAY . . . there's no reason to "reach" for topics . . . Utilize the lessons that you taught in your post regarding "conversations"!

Why not open with:

"I love it! This is great isn't it?"

"Watch out . . . thought I saw something on the Discovery Channel about Sharks. Ah, whatever. . . I'll watch your back, you watch mine."

"This isn't cold . . . it's refreshing! Who am I kidding. I'm freezing . . ."

"You guys aren't local are you? Hmm. . . Chinese? . . .No, no . . . Japanese? This sure beats the hell out of freezing your ass off in Tokyo . . "

___________ Blah, Blah, blah__________


"Hey, did you see the ___ club yet? Went last night. Lots of locals. Didn't think people partied so hard here . . ."

"I've been stuffing my face with ______ (food) here. Man that stuff is good. Did you guys try that yet?"

"Did you try that ____ beer (any kind of local drink/cocktail) The _____ right next to where I am staying makes killer _____."

___________ blah, blah, blah ______________


"What are you guys up to tonight?"
(If they answer something specific)
"Hey, I was thinking about that . . . do you hear good things about it?" - (They will almost always invite you)

(If they answer, "I don't know")
"How about we check out ________ (What ever you spoke about earlier. You'd know that they'd like it because you SOLD IT. They already went WOW, that sounds like fun)

___________ Intermission ____________

Now when you meet up again, you're no longer strangers. When you see each other, you hug and kiss both sides of the cheeks "European style" and get the sexuality rolling . . .
You and trixsta are right, I wrote about these exact problems basically before. How to carry out a great conversation, ways of practice, and about how what line you use doesn't really matter as long as you are conveying a certain vibe or intention.

I feel that I have a good understanding of game theory and I can easily grasp the concepts of game, but where I fall short is when it comes to applying the game and theory to an actual set. I almost always overthink everything from what to say to how to act. I hover around the set for too long, and tend to psyche myself out.

But you're right, I need to learn to take opportunities when they are presented. I'm on vacation, and there really is no better time to use my game.

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Although you could have done much better but this is a good start. in the Posts above there are some good examples of conv. starters which you could use. My only suggestion would be to stop being in your head, Have a great time you ar eon a vacation !! And keep the spirits high ! - Post pictures of barcelona if you could, never been there. - cheers


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.... and about how what line you use doesn't really matter as long as you are conveying a certain vibe or intention.
This is absolutely wrong. If "conveying a certain vibe or intention" is all that mattered, none of us would even be here. Your post "How to .... Conversationalist" is testament to the importance of effective communications. A certain line is INCREDIBLY important if you want to influence and gain certain outcomes from interacting with others.
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where I fall short is when it comes to applying the game and theory to an actual set. I almost always overthink everything from what to say to how to act. I hover around the set for too long, and tend to psyche myself out.
When thinking of "theories" you often reflect on the whole process, including outcome scenarios. In PRACTICE however, all you need to think of is "execution" of tasks. Think of this as a decathlon. You don't go for the high jump while thinking about the shot put. No, when you're high jumping, it's ALL ABOUT THE HIGH JUMP. And above all, you're not thinking about standing on the podium while you're running and preparing to jump. I keep going back to your great thread about free-writing because that's what it's all about. You're not writing about the past and you're not writing about the future. All you're doing is what's here and now in your mind. . . . And what's the here and now?

Did the girl at the beach have her bikini bottoms down with her legs spread, puckering her lips to suck your cock? No? Then don't think about sex. Did she take a look and ask, "Please, take me dancing!!" - No? Then don't think about taking her out.

When you first met the girls, all they're doing is standing around . . . and you can guess that they'd like to meet some people. Fine, so meet them.(Don't go quizzing them 50 questions from some Pick Up Manual) You're smart enough to do this. I've read your writing. You can be here and now, be relevant, entertaining, flirty, and grab their attention. Women are RELIEVED when a man breaks the ice for them.

Soooo simple because all you're doing are few relevant one liners.

blah-blah-blah

At this point, what's here and now in front of you? These girls are acquaintances. They're no longer strangers. They told you some things about themselves. They're comfortable with you. You want to know MORE about them. They want to know MORE about you. (So now, it's not "10 years ago, I ....) It's What I did last night and what I did tonight during this holiday. When you begin opening up, they will follow.

Spooooo simple because all you're doing is story telling.

blah-blah-blah

What's the here and now? Well, you just shared these fun event stories with one another and just talking about it together was great. How about doing these things together? This is what EVERYBODY wants. Just cut the damn deal between two interested parties.

How tough is it to set up a meeting between two interested parties?

Blah-blah-blah

Here and now? Two interested people planned, followed through, and are meeting each other. Everybody else you two see tonight are "strangers". You two are boyfriend/girlfriends for the night.

Don't go around opening up 100 girls. Just do what you can to follow through with this simple "one thing at a time" method.


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