I just thought of this literally 5 minutes ago after I posted my last post. Anyone who has seen my post would probably notice that I type the following:

"Happy Gaming "
AFCCoffee

Now I've just questioned, why do I use that term "Happy Gaming"? and the honest answer I could give is that when I started in this forum I conformed to everybodys behaviour. Referring to sarging as "gaming girls" just to fit in with my fellow PUA's and AFC's however, should we use these terms? I know their physically harmless in the absence of girls but we should provide some morality behind these terms. I use natural gaming, I don't go with any structure, no Attraction, Comfort, Seduction.. no neg, Bait, Hook, Real, Release.. I used to but not anymore. I think in my own terms now and in my own terms is that hitting on girls is not a game.

Think about it, they're human beings, the same creatures as you and I and in my eyes I don't think we should degrade them in such a way as implying they are a "game." This isn't a game, this is something more 'meta,' it's an art and we should respect it.

What do you guys think I'm curious on your views?

AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

They call it a game because a majority of us are IT computer nerds or whatever and pretending it's all just a game takes some of the pressure off and gives us a goal. It also reminds us that the process is supposed to be enjoyable. That's why. It's not degrading to women, especially since women don't even know about this view. Scoring women definitely objectifies them, but so what? Many women only see you as a collection of your clothes and grooming. Best believe they will rate the shit out of you on a scale of 1-fuckable.

So in other words we are using the Venusian arts as an analogy to a video game where we go from level 1 to level in comparison to opening to K-close/number close? Fair enough.. but for us people who are not IT computer nerds we don't use that analogy and see that this is more than just 'a game with levels' and do not 'pretend' that it's something it is not. Don't get me wrong I see where you're coming from and there's nothing wrong in thinking in that way but why pretend when you yourself know it's something much bigger than a game? There's no pressure in thinking it as an important factor in life.
"If somebody screams and nobody is there to hear it, does it still count as a scream?" If a woman is not around to hear degrading things about her, does it still count as degrading? I'm sure that answer is obvious to you. I think people forget that guys have morals behind these things as well though in fear of being rejected from the community they just comply with it. Your point? It's perfectly natural for beings to rate and compare the opposite sex so they can get the best partner that suits their genes. I don't specifically rate girls based on a scale of the "HB 6-10" scale as I think it fucks with your mind and degrading. I rate them rather on my screening - on what I specifically want in a partner, physical wise, personality wise, hobby wise and energy wise. I think it's safe to say the majority of females rate in the same way rather on a "1-fuckable."


AFCCoffee [/u]

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

I've been in this whole PUA world for almost 2 years now. And I'll tell you why we use these terms. It is a game, and nothing more. And if you're thinking of these girls in a higher regard don't. It's just as much a game for them as it is for us my friend. They'll be there, and slit your throat for a shinier male in seconds. And that's what it comes down to. When you enter this world, you have to be prepared to loose your respect for women. Because once you learn how they act, think and really feel that's exactly what happens. So yes, it's a game. But not in the harmless sense that most PUA's play it off to be. It's the most dangerous game of all, and you may get hurt. Or she may get hurt. But those are the stakes of rolling the die.

Peace and love,
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Sadly, your argument is as weak as your head maybe you have not thought this through enough. However, allow me to totally destroy your argument before someone else does.
Number one, the years of you being in the game is irrelevant to my question, for me to even accept your argument with justification of you being sarging for 2 years would be an illegitimate appeal to authority.
Wow nice statement, where's the argument? I don't see any justification from you on not to look at them in a higher regard. We are human beings, and as human beings we should respect each others dignity. Male and Female. I do not look at them in a higher regard but as in the same amount as I see myself. However, you who doesn't look at them in a higher regard must look down on them.. if that is the case, why would you sarge them? They must obviously not be worthy if you look down on them
Ah a formidable form of inductive reasoning, shame inductive reasoning is technically never sound (when an argument is irrefutably true). Just because a few girls have done this isn't enough to make a generalization that every single woman does the same thing.
You know what I like, the fact that you've just spent this whole post committing a slippery slope fallacy, there's no connection between your premises to the conclusion what so ever.

AFCCoffee [/quote]

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

God, shut up. You're acting like a total AFC d-bag that wants to "change the game" since he can't play. It's all semantics, if you don't like it, don't use it. This topic is WORTHLESS. Total troll.

keep guessing mate. I fail to see on how respecting woman changes the semantics at all but since we're on the topic, if you think the semantics of this cannot be changed then you're naive as fuck. The game is built around social interaction and social interaction can change through an evolutionary process, if it does change through an evolutionary process then so does the game therefore the semantics can be, and are changed with this evolutionary process.
Every MPUA or PUA has their own method of PU and some methods involve respecting women and their intuition such as AFCAdam, Gambler and Sinn. Which puts you into the trap of your own argument that if I am a total AFC d-bag then these MPUAs must be as well since we both game on the same method and mindset?

Oh well.. I look forward to your reply.

Troll

AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

Cool dude! (I didn't read what you wrote; too longwinded.)

Fine with me

AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

I disagree, i think it is a game. Because as soon as you open, you are essentially flirting (neg i would class as flirty the right way) as soon as she shows interest, then you show interest back, you like each other and emotions become involved its not game from there-on.

from that point, our job is not to fuck it up.

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"Game" has been debated by philosophers for almost a century, starting in the philosophical investigations where Wittgenstein said that "game" refers to a group of definitions that share a single family resemblance.

Personally, as an aspiring game designer, I find the most workable definition for "game" to be a system with an objective, obstacles, and, for lack of a better term, power-ups.

In seduction our objective is the girl. In chess it's to checkmate, in Super Mario Brothers it's to rescue the princess.

Now that I think of it, is rescuing the princess in Super Mario Brothers a form of seduction, or do we just assume Mario already had a relationship with her when the game started? They were never clear on that point. I digress.

Obstacles in seduction are things like bitch shields. In chess you are fighting the other player's strategy and in Super Mario Brothers you are fighting pits and turtles and bullets and mushrooms.

Power-ups in seduction are things like an introduction from somebody the objective respects or other girls hitting on you. In chess queening a pawn is a power up. In Super Mario Brothers it's a fire flower or a mushroom.

My definition of game maps easily from seduction to chess to Super Mario Brothers. The problem with it is that it maps easily to almost every aspect of life, which begs the question:

Is life really just a game?

I think it is.

However, I do not think that all game should be treated with frivolity. Games are serious business. The ancient Lydians invented games 2500 years ago to get them through an 18 year famine. We use games today to train our military. We attach antennas to flight simulator games to communicate with drone airplanes to actually kill real people. People learn real social skills and have genuine emotional and developmental experiences in MMOs like Warcraft.

So, yes, it is all just a game, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take it seriously. On the other hand, that doesn't mean you can't laugh at it either.

Another takeaway from game development that you guys might find helpful: One of the first rules of game design a college professor taught me is to recognize failure, but don't punish it. Game designers know that if you punish people who fail they will dwell on their failure, get frustrated and ultimately not bother with finishing the game. That's why we have infinite lives in more games today (plus, nobody is making $0.25 off each failure you make since arcades are almost extinct). Same goes for any failure in life. You must acknowledge the failure, but you must not punish yourself for it, because if you do then you won't be having any fun with that failure. I think that lesson works for the PUA as much as it works for Sakagouchi.

Respect dude, it's great to see others that share the same view. I totally agree with focusing more on the social interaction rather than the sarging as it's not only our ability to seduce that's important but also our ability to socialise smoothly with others.

I accept others have a different view on "The Game" but I would just like to cause awareness that The Game is not objectively the same to everyone it's subjective because there are people all whom want to achieve something out of this. It's safe to say that those achievements differ from person to person therefore it's safe to conclude that the game is irrefutably subjective.

I'll merely dismiss Minsok, he clearly is a closed minded individual when it comes to logical thinking.

AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

Seeing this as a game is very filosofical. In that aspect you can view life in general as a game too. Your character is created, you enjoy the game, feel emotions and then you die. No one knows if there are respawns though, but some believe there are. (reincarnation).

I think it's easier to view pickup as a game, you open (start the game), and see how far you can get, when you fail you've picked up a new skillset and you get a new life with every new set.

Just as long as you are aware that other people's emotions are involved.


In short; no one can truly say if it is or isn't a game, it's relative for each person. Just like an opinion is.

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game   /geɪm/ Show Spelled [geym] Show IPA noun, adjective,gam·er, gam·est, verb,gamed, gam·ing.
- an amusement or pastime
- a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.
- a trick or strategy
- any object of pursuit

play the game, Informal.
a.to act or play in accordance with the rules.
b.to act honorably or justly


I love that this thread has been made. It shows a definite maturity level on these forums and an understanding of the PUA lifestyle. Its a lifestyle! You're not here to just bang as many chicks as you can. If that is your goal, then I don't think you're learning what there is to offer here. You can learn confidence, charisma, style, skills, strategies to make a change for the better, in your lifestyle, character, personality and mentality.

I don't think you should lose your respect for women because of the game. Women are wired differently to men and thus seducing women is different from seducing men. Learning the rules, tricks and strategies of this is only fair. Women are more complicated than men emotionally and less straight forward with sex. If you lose your respect for women while you're here, I suggest you stop gaming 18 yr olds at clubs and start gaming successful, intelligent women at university or who have a career.

Don't forget: To win in this game, you have to leave it.
There is more to life than banging chicks. Do this for yourself.

I guess I don't really see the "game" metaphor as offensive. I will admit that certain...umm let's call them "sore looser" comments on this forum by people who have lost a certain set in this game have been deeply offensive to women and bordered on threats of sexual violence, but that's a minority of the comments on this forum.

The game, when played with proper sportsmanship should be respectul of all rules and players involved.

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