Pick up is a science or an art?




First of all, let's define Art and Science:

Art: the creation of works of beauty or other special significance.

Science: methodological activity, discipline, or study. An activity that appears to require study and method


If you think of this for a moment you will find out that PU is kind of a science, we have models (M3), we have studies, formulas, methods, routines that have been "proven" to be effective.

Can we really define PU as a science? I don't think we have the former institution that studies PU in such a way that we can call it a science, there is a model and steps to follow to achieve a result. (If you want to see it that way)


Actually I think this is a big and common mistake between AFCs in the community. PU isn't a science is an art. AFCs want to find the magic formula to achieve success in a second, they want this step by step guide to get women into bed, and that's what every method is selling you.

PU is an Art. I don't think you can have a formula for every interaction, maybe there is a big model (I can tell you how to paint) but in order to be a good artist you have to practice, improvise and work hard. There isn't a step by step guide to paint a mona lisa.

In order to succeed in PU you have to enjoy every interaction. You are a social artist, each word you say is art (or it should be) there is a reason behind every sentence you say, how you move and work a set is pure art. If you find the way to love PU as an art, and believe it is a form of expression, where you love women and you want them to have fun and enjoy themselves with you, then you are creating art, because you are creating love, passion and sexuality, and that IS art.

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PU is definately not a science. Science is quantified, measured, done using controlled conditions that are the same from one time to another just changing one factor.

That has never happened in PU history as far as I know.

PU is a series of observations based on a general behaviour that people empirically want to believe works. And nobody has ever been able to agree with the rest of us what it is that really makes it work. So... It is an art!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Pick Up is an art form. You don't need the methods and routines and canned formulas because all those do is start you on the path. Someone somewhere had to create those and really they are just providing for a different more exciting approach. You can use methods and understanding women but at the end of the day, Pick up is expressing yourself, which makes it an art form.

Attracting women is developing your personality to a point where you can convey value. You express your personality and self and if you have true inner confidence and believe in your own value the formulas will actually render you incongruent. It's a big lie. If you go into a situation and act like some big pimp hot shot cocky funny alpha and you aren't one then you are just as bad as a chode. You are still hiding yourself. Real success comes when you are congruent, express yourself and make attracting women something that YOU know how to do. Creating your OWN method.

I swear I see this topic once ever 3 months and 2 days precisely.

Does this discussion make any difference to anyone's game (or life)?

Ha ha! I thought it was a funny question! I have never seen it before!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

To say that it is one or the other is inaccurate. What I like to tell people is that it's similar to playing guitar. Before you can shred on a guitar (express music artfully), you have to learn scales, the NUMBERS, the THEORY. Then, once armed with that, you are free to improvise and simply PLAY.

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Yep, but I can guarantee that it is at least not science.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

By the British science council

PU is not systematic or based on evidence. Too many variables. Plus, Oh, this opener has worked every time (3) that I have used it. It works. Except... When you say it in the wrong way...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

So is it in a jet plane. and its still a science.
Dont guys like Mystery break down their entier approach and seduction technique in phases systematically A1-whatever. And its worked for him and a lot of guys too.

But this topic is more about perception than reality hence I wouldnt offer any counters anymore except for shits and giggles.

It is a social science like psychology, artist sounds cooler though so keep it as that.

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Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.

No it is not. A jetplane is an application of science, a way to use what others have done research on but it is not science.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Does not make sense.

Any mechanics is science. Wikipedia might help here.

By this reasoning taking sleeping pills is a science. But it is not. Science has developed the pills but taking the pils is just an application of it. Just like the jetplane. Now Im talking about the action of taking the pills.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

This thread is the definition of humor. Start with something and twist it into something else.

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