What does this accomplish? You already know the truth. You can ride your bike with no hands. You don't need your momma to verify it.

Secondly, you can let her have her "I'm so special" moment but you need to get right back on the horse. Don't forget your goal.

Master kasabi,
After reading your enlighting post I texted my one-itis. She went to dinner with me that very moment. I told her I practiced my spanish with the lady behind the counter and her face lit up and her eye gleamed and she smiled at me. Then I wanted to give her a hug, but I failed to. I didn't have enough courage to hug her. I'm still petrified of rejection. Even though the rinse and repeat method will work just fine. I didn't have enough courage to just grab her and squeeze and tell her "were just friends, so I can do this". But i thought about it. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Any advice?

Sincerely,
Magnum45

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Never ever bring back up this thread or react to it. Don't even talk about the whole "friend" thing. Totally dis-acknowledge this frame.

Engaging logically in this frame will lead to nowhere for you.

I'd say game other chicks.

If you hang with her hang with her sparingly or hang with her with another girl on your arm.

If you hang with her without another girl on your arm then behave normally as if nothing ever happened and flirt and then escalate at some point. Then be the first to push her away. This is the ONLY time it's cool to bring up the friend shit again. After you have escalated and then pushed her away. Then you can be like:

"Naww we're just friends, I want to but I can't your right, we are better off friends"

Keep in mind though that the best thing is just to pretend nothing was said. Often when a girl says just friends it means you act too much like you wanna be her boyfriend, doesn't mean sex is off the table. If you make a big deal of it though then your done.

LOL magnum45... Young man, you've just been LJBF'd and you text her once and she agrees to go to dinner with you right away... STOP for a second ... What is this telling you??

Look, I treat the LJFB speech as just another shit test. In fact, I just smile... I light up when they spit it out now ...

Example:
My mate who happens to be a sick natural met this girl once. They exchange numbers and agree to meet up in a club. I wing him and go to meet up with her. Anyway, she's there with some other guy and spends hours with him.

I look at him and think, damn you must be gutted... 'Do you wanna get out of here?' Instead he just smiles and says... nah let's stay here and have fun I'll talk to her at the end.

So he does... She gives him a sob story about that other guy being her ex and she's really sorry but they might be getting back together. He just smiles, acts like NOTHING has changed.

He texts her the next day organising to go down the park with a bunch of chocolates to distract her from her studies.

... And you know what ... a few weeks later he's got his cock so far down her throat she practically gagging?! LOL

Example 2:
I number close this chick at the bus stop. I run game on her and she loves it... I'm an AFC at heart and she LJBF's me. I act all upset. But then I re-read kasabi's advice and decide to hook up with her. And guess what? She does... straight AWAY!

In fact, months down the line I'm still hooking up with this girl for coffee. I know for a fact if I just acted like nothing really mattered I'd be fucking her. I still probably could have a chance at fucking her.

Example 3:
Facebook closed this chick at the gym. I push for her number ... I know she loves me. But she replies...

'No way, you ain't getting my number :0)'

I just laugh, and act like nothings has changed... Next week... she's back to back texting me and sends me a geeky message, singing happy birthday to me. LOL

....

In short this is what a girl is thinking when she gives a guy a LJBF speech after she's agreed to date him.

'Gee ... I really like this guy... but I'm not too sure if he's after just one thing. What I need to know is if he's gonna be there for me through all the tough times...'

Now if you tuck tail and run, act like a scorned little bitch after what? She doesn't want sex with you (she sooo does btw) ....What's she gonna be thinking about you protecting her from the BIG BAD WORLD??

Young man. EMPTY your mind. Pretend like NOTHING has changed and you'll sail through. Hug her... goof around with her and she WILL come around.

This only happens through PRACTICE...PRACTICE...PRACTICE.

Mods if you're reading this... This thread should so be a sticky.

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the thing about the LJBF speech is that its so common place and old and boring---why dosnt any of them have any originality----why not---''Im going to tell you that im a pure vestal virgin and in two weeks if your still around we'll have sex and you can guess if i was telling the truth or not''

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Go to his youtube link and watch the whole series. You don't have to go for a slam dunk from half court every time you think "kino".

Instead . . . you dribble a bit, shake and roll, spin, drive . . . and then go for an easy lay up.

Gambler explains this numerically but I like to think of the girl as a target. Mentally draw a bullseye on her vagina and work your way out. The further you go out, it's easier to touch but you get less "sexual points".

So what's at the VERY VERY outer rings? The tips of her hair? Her finger tips? How easy is that?

"Hey, I just saw ET for the 100th time last night. . ET phone home . . . ET . .. OUCH . . ." Then you just put your finger out there and she'll do the same." - Whew! Done. Initial touch accomplished. . ..

"Great movie!" high five! Already moved into another ring.

"Wait a sec, do you actually have black nails?" (touching hand . .. longer time. )

"Hey, check it out, that bald buy is giving you the hairy eyeball." (tap elbow for attention)

blah, blah, blah . . .

"Come on just give him a chance!" (grab both her arms . . . pay attention!)

"Oh you're a heart breaker . .. (Big hug . . .)

"Hey, I still love ya . . . (Peck on the cheek and slight punch on the arm)

Etc . . . etc . .. etc . . . Work towards the bulls eye.

You can't go from NO TOUCH to "sexual touch" but it's very easy to just place your hand on her thigh after a hug and a kiss on the cheek.

That's great practical advice... I'm gonna apply those little gems.. And the thing is guys. That advice is so generic you can apply it all the time.

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This is such a great thread, learned quite a bit from it. Realised that LJBF isn't even that bad a thing for them to say and you should take it as a shit test, I've blasted through one already.

This thread has some of the best info, glad to see this is still going. Which brings me to my question that I was going to start a new thread for but it relates to the HB9 I spoke of earlier in this thread.
Since the last update on the situation a lot has happened. We've remained friends and hang out every so often, both of us have f-closed other ppl and have talked about it to each other. When we do hang out I keep the solid indifferent frame, I aim to have fun and proceed to kino which usually gets a good response. How ever! The last couple times of seeing each other she has always been down, seems to always want to talk about her problems and the last relation ship she had that didn't turn out the way she wanted. Here's the bit that is annoying me, with me she is always in a non fun mood, but when we speak to other people she lightens her mood up!

I once read a pua should change the subject when the target starts to talk about they're problems so I do this. I also act as tho it doesn't bother me and I continue to do my best to have fun. She most recently invited a guy we kinda both know to a social event we had planned for us to hang at.

A couple things spring to mind; she totally see's me as ONLY a friend and is treating me as such. She notices me having fun with other girls and is doing the same(not the reaction I expected after studying pua) I am going to add the fact that I once told her I will probably always like her which I now believe was a big fucking mistake. OR do I just plain ole bore her now??

I've never been in this situation and some pua advise on best handling this situation is well accepted. The nice guy in me WANTS to ask her if she's ok as I do with good mates and talk to her etc etc. Hit me back fellas, Rezzy out.

This is good. Two possible scenarios.

1. She's fully tossed you into the "friends column". If you gave her the nod for "LJBF" and you kept it at that and continued to be her "best buddy", this is where you'd be. If so, this is in fact when you begin to keep her as a good friend but begin to go your own way more. Sure she's your buddy but you're not going to save up your Saturday nights for her when you can be fucking all the ladies you meet. She'll know what she needs to do in order for her spend more time with you.

2. However, I'd say this is much more likely. If you really kept your indifferent stance while kinoing all the time and leaving the sexual possibilities open, her negative attitude and display of dissatisfaction with her relationships is her way of saying, "Oops, you called my bluff." Make sure that you two are ALONE in a quiet place conducive for fucking. Have condoms ready. Then while chit chatting, you tell her, "Hey, what's going on? I've noticed that you've been a weird mood lately"

Her: Yes, blah, blah, blah, this boy, that boy, blah, blah . .
You: Oh that's too bad. Hey, you know I'm always going to be here for you.

And you hug her and kiss her on the cheek but leave your lips on her cheek for a while. When she keeps her face there, you take your meat hook, grab her by the chin and turn her towards you. Suck face. Fuck. Done.

For sure, don't burn any bridges with her.

It comes down to being reactive vs. being UNREACTIVE.

THink about it... how would you act if she never would have said anything like that, keep doing that.

If you say anything that even HINTS that you were a little disappointed about it, then you're out.

If you go down the road of "I have enough friends, sorry" she's gonna think you're a little upset about it.

Don't do that. Try, for a second, to imagine if you had 50 girls lined up outside your bedroom, all smoking hot, ready to do naughty things to you.

How would you react after she said that????

OH, I said react? Well guess what?>!>!?>?!>>!!!> You wouldn't REACT at all.

In fact, you'd just shrug your shoulders and say "Cool" because you really really really really wouldn't care one way or the other.

In any situation you run into like that, think in those terms. What would yhou do if you had 50 girls lined up outside ready to do the dirty to you? It creates an UNREACTIVE mindset

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So I have been friends with this girl for about a year now. And I finially decided to ask her on a date. She told me we were in the friend zone. I was crushed of course and I spent the weekend in tears. So now I'm over it, but I don't know how to proceed with this girl. I don't really care about her. I don't want to be friends with her because If she gets with another guy I will be livid. So I figure it's best to stay away from her. But I would enjoy friendship, but I care too much about her. So I'm kind of fucked.

Or i could just be thinking in the future about a negative outcome to keep myself safe and away from her. If I am suppose to be unreactive then I should continue to ask her out to hang out with me. But something doesn't feel right about that. The right thing to do is just to let her come to me. No matter how long it takes.

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