Okay, this one is a little bit cheesy and a little bit sleazy, but it will get her interested easy!

1. Go up to girl face to face
2. Refuse to look at her face when opening
3. Stare at her boobs (be obvious)

"Hi. You know, I've been checking you guys out and can't decide which one of you is cuter!" (referring to her boobs while staring at them)
continue...
"So, who did you guys come with?"
"What are you guys doing later?"
"So, since there are two of you, and two of me, I was thinking..."
etc.

She'll get a laugh out of it. You're making fun of the stereotypical guy.

You can start looking at her face when talking to her after the first go around, but every once in a while start talking to her boobs again. She'll get a kick out of it.

This will convey that you are funny, that you are sexual, and that you are confident.

this'll prolly more likely get you slapped in the face than a number.

This "opener" violates pretty much every rule of opening sets.


1) First and foremost, this opener would only ever get a positive response from a single set. If you use this in any set that contains guys (who aren't complete pussies) you are getting AMOG'd out or knocked out. If you use this in front of her friends she will HAVE to react badly to avoid looking like a slut. If it does work I imagine it would only be on a low-quality girl.

2) Secondly, staring at her boobs is a MASSIVE DLV, it's basically like saying "I never ever get to see boobs, so I just made an excuse to stare at yours for an extended period of time".

3) Third it is a VERY direct opener which is going to set her bitch shield on high alert (think Defcon 4) instantly. Even if you enter a set with girl giving you IOI's from across the room, this is TOO direct to get anything other than a courtesy laugh and maybe a minute or two f conversation.

4) Points one two and three above all explain why if you use this opener, your chances of isolating are almost zero and your chances of building comfort are about the same. Just don't do it.


I could go on except I think I have made my point.


If you want something that is going to make you look badass, confident and edgey - maybe you could use the bird opener. I think that would be closer to the kind of image you are trying to convey with that opener.

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I think you guys are taking it too seriously. It's not a DLV if its a joke. Its a DHV because you're making fun of every other guy that stares at her boobs. It's also a neg at the same time because you are pointing out the fact that she dresses kind of slutty to get attention.

Being a dick like this works. The opener works. Try it out if you don't believe.

Yes, you don't do it if a dude is around because he'll go ape-shit on you. Around her friends is fine, they'll get kind of pissed but you make it obvious that you're making a joke.

It works better on the hot girl who is dressed kinda slutty. She dresses slutty for a reason--to get attention because she's insecure. You obviously don't do this throughout a whole routine, but as an opener you're being the cocky/funny slash arrogant/irresistible asshole that women love.

I agree that being cocky playful works and being sometimes over the top alpha works too, but nothing is stronger than a woman's bitch shield/ASD. It would need to be a special girl to have that work, and I think you'd lose a lot of teeth in the process of finding her.

Absolutely. I think a lot of guys make the mistake that every girl can be played the same way. You have to analyze what she will respond to (not necessarily what she will respond best to, but how she will respond in a predictable way). Then you can base your game off of how she responds to these things. Direct things like this help you categorize girls accurately.

If you do the dickest thing possible you will figure out how high her bitch shield actually is. When you make it apparent that it is tongue in cheek, then you have an advantage in gaming her. I suppose I would call it Pregame openers. It's evaluating what kind of customer she is before you start your sales pitch.

Mystery has some good info generally speaking and regarding the dangerousness of comments about appearance, he is spot-on. Speaking from experience I can say that denigrating a girl is a tough one to dig yourself out of unless she is a total sub and is basically desperate to get dominated.

Why start off so far into the hole when you can lightly neg about important topics that mean nothing and win hearts and minds that much easier? This is pickup, it's supposed to be fun for everyone. Denigrating someone may be fun for you, but it's definitely not for her.

Field tested.

I've only done it places that I don't frequent, since I don't want people I know seeing me act that way. I said it works. Brought a girl to the dance-floor on it. Then did dance-floor game, k-close.

Other girls you just get to the convo.

Other girls are stupid and don't get the joke. (These, to me, are the hardest girls to game because they aren't predictable if they don't understand what you're saying haha)

1) it worked & u K-closed a girl

2) you get into a convo with the girl/s

3) they are stupid & dont get it

ok ok, ever thought that maybe some of those girls listed in no. 3 DO get it and ARENT stupid. Instead they just dont find it funny at all and think it was lame?

Much like some people who tell you a joke and you dont laugh. They then proceed to try and explain the joke and this makes them look like an idiot, becuase u did infact "get" the joke but u just did not find it funny.

I perosnally do not see this working too often, but if it works for you then thats cool. Just don't assume that people are stupid because they did not react in the way in which u expected

You're right, i guess if you having fun than thats awesome, can't fault that.

with regards to assuming. Yes i agree but don't you think it might depend in what context?

In this example. I tell you a joke, you get it but don't find it funny and you don't put on some fake smile or give a fake laugh. I then assume that you are a fucking retard cause you just dont get it.

would you say this assumption is correct?

have a look at "pimpin aint easy"'s threads. That is a pure example of when assumptions are the mother of... well u know the rest.

I feel assuming the sale is different. you walk into an interaction with confidence that you are going to pull it off know matter what. You walk, talk and act congruently. You don't walk away thinking what an unsocial skanky ho-bag who can't talk to people because she shot u down do you?

they are both assumptions, one before which will help you through the interaction and the other is afterward validating why you were shot down, one helps out while the other boosts your ego. Well this is my view anyways.

I personally think its funny and some girls will go for it. Just make sure you properly profile the girls you approach with this kind of opener. I wanna make sure they're on a party mode, bitch shield off, the type of girl who's out to party..

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on a scale of 1-10 this opener would be a 5.

it has potential with its cocky/funny approach and like you said it does show some qualities. it would be fun to play with. i mean when you get it right you can have a good call back. potentailly a way to anchor humor and the thing is she would have to find a way to get over laughing at you talking to her boobs. it would provide a way of playing with them later and it not seem wierd or objective. like i said much potential.

the downside is the abillity to use it. there are not many girls that do except this kind of SPAM at a drop of the hat. if you get the right frame it might, only thing is that frame is hard to find and is hard to control. on top of that it is kind of hard to come out of the hole you dug if it didnt work. very awkward. it sets up a lot of barriers.

i can see this being tailor for a girl that is open with her body and is comfortable or insecure with her self to let someone do that. these HBs usually are the easier girls. looking for a girl that just wants to flirt do it. looking for an easy girl do it. looking for a long timer relationship, good luck for first impressions last a life time.

like i said before, i give it a 5 out 10. if anyone has any comments about that please tell me.