I'm female. I'm a size 2 and very pretty. (I'm sure many here will doubt this or say that all women think they're attractive, but let's leave that aside for now.)

I'm looking for someone who can help me talk to men in a way that makes them feel good. Yes, I know the PUA dogma teaches that women's looks are all that matter to men. Yes, I've read the Red Queen. But when I look around, that's not what I see. Many of the wealthy men I've met (worth $20M or more) are engaged or married to women who are 5-6s, maybe 7s. I know one guy worth $500M who's seriously dating a woman who's 250 pounds. From what I've seen, most of these women succeed because they're great at making men feel good.

I'm generally attracted to nerdy, super-intelligent men, not the typical alphas. These guys are all over me--at first. But they never get "attached" to me. One major reason is that I just don't know how to make men feel "like kings," that is, I'm not good at complimenting them. When I try, it always falls flat.

I'd love to work with one of the seduction guys who is willing to take on an unconventional job. (I'd pay the regular rates for a 1 on 1.)

Which of the teachers/gurus/etc would you recommend? Thank you in advance to those who are open-minded enough to consider and/or answer this question.

PS1: Oh, I should specify my goal. Like most women, I'm looking for a longterm relationship. I'm in no hurry to get married, but would like to do so eventually.

PS2: Before I'm called a gold digger for mentioning wealthy men above, I should say that wealth is not the primary characteristic I'm looking for. (The PUA gurus tell y'all that women--emotional beings that they are--don't know what they want, but given my analytical nature, I've been pretty good at predicting the characteristics of men that end up attracting me.)

To be honest a lot of what guys look at in a women is looks, its just the way we are, its sad to say but looks are really important as far as atracting men gos.

beyond that what makes a man feel good about himself, kindness, if you can show you have a kind and caring nature that would go down very well, ive never meet a guy who said he dident like a chick anymore because she was too kind..

confidence im sure would be very imortant although may intimidate the types of guys you mentioned i.e non alpha males

personaly i feel a sence of humor is very important, no matter what sex if your funny and have a good sence of humor it will make people more comfortable.

be adventorious aswhell guys like a girl whos fun and up for trying new things travelling ect.

if your asking about the best PUAs ive come across, would probably be the likes of Mystery, David D, (Gambler and Adam Lyons for Natural Game)

hope this helps

sorry if that was a bit vague, but you wernt very specific as to weather you were looking to attract more men, a certin type, generate more intrest from a certain type once youve attracted, or generate a strong conection with a man once your actually in a relationship. im sure if you gave us some more info we could help.

LOL! I can answer you!

Steve Harvey (yeah, the actor) wrote a book for women ABOUT MEN.. Aparently it talks about all the types of guys and how to deal with them!

-Douchebags
-Rich Guys
-Mama's boys
-EVERY type of guy!

I forget the name of the book but i could ask my friend who read it (a girl obviously lol)

So whatcha say?

David Wygant is one of a select few teachers that work with both men and women. I've never listened to his women's stuff, but most of what has helped me become successful with women was from Wygant. He basically teaches good conversational skills, and being a man. He leaves out the peacocking nonsense and structure.

Thanks VanHaven and LuckyD. I'll check out Harvey's book and look into Wynant.

Nate2000, I'm looking to attract more men of a particular type--and retain them for a long period. (Yes, I know you PUAs don't want that, but many men do--take a look at the wedding pages in your paper.) I get a lot of stares from men, even without showing any skin. I'm too nervous to make eye contact back though, much of the time.

If making a guy feel good was all it took to get him, do you really think you would have as much trouble as you are having? Just like girls no to guys are the same. You have to adjust your game to the guy you are going after. Not all guys want a girl that just makes him feel good. Ya its a nice feeling but its not going to get most guys.
I can tell you right now trying to make such guys feel like "kings" is not going to help you. Talking nerdy is. These guys love talking about intellectual topics and talk to those that either know the topic or at least comprehend the topic on hand if they don't know much about it. Show that you are interested in them and their interest/hobbies. I bet you they will find you more appealing if you do.
You are going to have to make eye contact if you ever want to get one of these nerds. Because otherwise they will more than likely think you are not interested if you don't.

Check out the book "Why Men Love Bitches" for one detailed perspective on gaming men.

I definitely like your view of "being great at making men feel good" view of this whole thing a lot, but you also have to be a little bit cruel sometimes.

Also, someone already mentioned David Wygant, but yeah he does offer services to both genders.

Where do you live?

Wygant is certainly worth looking into for you since you want more than number closes and the occasional kiss close that comes from indirect game. Any one that wants something long term always finds themselves going the direct route. I agree with what was already said though about being nerdy for nerdy guys. I am that kind of guy in a lot of ways although I don't look it and that is what I look for. Its rare in women.

Ms. Gold Digging Lonely Heart, let's not kid ourselves. You are looking for wealthy men. You retroactively offered a "Not a Gold Digger" disclaimer thinking with your little pea-brain that this will make a difference. This is about as sad and hilarious as a "USDA PRIME" label stuck on a pile of dog shit.

Obviously, you've never been around much money. Your initial post doesn't sound too different from posts made by guys who've never been around pussy and think they can obtain it by throwing useless compliments. You think you can somehow obtain wealthy men by throwing useless compliments. . . I can't tell you how "trailer trash" this makes you sound.

The problem with guys who toss useless compliments for pussy is that girls KNOW that this is what is going on. Thus, any girl with a decent head on her shoulder will know that the next piece of willing meat worth .5 points more will compel this guy to fuck off right away. I'd love to hear YOUR opinion on guys like this . . .

This is your problem. The issue isn't whether you truly are a worthless trailer trash or not. The issue is that your initial post (and I am assuming how you portray yourself in real life) exudes the personality of a worthless trailer trash. Everything about your post tells me that no matter how much the unlucky guy you end up with is worth, you'll be sucking off the next guy who is worth a few mil more. Of course you will say, "No, no . . . that's not me. I want my first millionaire and that's that . . ." - And this is what all the AFC's tell their first "girlfriends" . . .

Don't waste your money.

Whats wrong with this guy anyways? He's awful angry and uptight it seems going around judging people over an internet forum like he knows them and throwing out insults. This dude isn't right in the head.

I'd say he is right about not wasting your time learning from pua instructors though, i mean kasabi makes for a great example of why that doesn't help. I'd say get an online file and screen for the guy you want. The nerdy somewhat shy busy types will be on there for sure.

I work with both men and women. I would encourage you to look at multiple options, different teacher have different style and messages, it really comes down to who you resonate with. Since Wygant was metioned I could compare my style to his; Wygant primarily teaches you what to say, I primarily teach you why you say it.

I can't speak about many others who work with women and are involved in this community, honestly because not many do, however I would say to check Wygant method out, remember though that he retired so his assistants do the instructing now.

HAHHAHAHHAAAAAA HHHAAAAHAHAAAAAA Like Always, Kasabi's Brutal HONESTY cracks me up......

I wouldn't want anyone like you around me. But I hope Kasabi is worng and with the skill you learn you find a nice guy of 'your choice' and KEEP HIM HAPPY- David DeAngelo I heard was starting a program for women, The Doctor in this forum has offered you help, There are Guys Like Madals, Jon in here who are dating coaches and they would know to point you in the right direction just PM them. - Good Luck

Pae,

The problem with growing up in an abusive environment is that it pretty much fucks you up for life. You witness anything remotely confrontational and you're wired to IMMEDIATELY feel fear, which creates anger, which creates projection, which creates misery. You don't seem to have the ability for self-help. Consider assistance.

By the way, the emotions I felt while reading the OP was "sadness" and "pity".