So yesterday I'm talking to a few random hot chicks around campus just for the sake of practicing game. Met this HB9 sitting beside a friend. I talked to the friend, pretended to not notice her. When she did try to include herself, I negged her and went back to talking to my friend. I could sense the IOIs buliding up, and then just when I was about to proceed to A3, some guy (not even good looking) comes around.

He goes behind where she's sitting, and puts his arms around her like he owns her. For a second or two I was thinking "seriously? fuck you random guy" and it probably showed. But thanks to what I've been learning here, I quickly recovered and acted like I didn't give a shit. I continued to talk to my friend and refused to acknowledge the random guy's presence. I didn't even try to AMOG the guy or anything, because my morals were telling me that I should stay out of this one. Instead of proceeding to A3, C1, then isolating, I just asked for her MSN instead and pretended to have to go.

But morals arguably do not seem to be a priority in this game. If I want to get good at this game, I'm guessing I need to redefine my moral values. The HB9 and that random guy are obviously seeing each other but...

Question is - when is it appropriate to step in and take the girl for yourself? If they're in a serious LTR, then no matter what you guys might tell me I wouldn't try anything cause that's just an asshole move. Sure if you can smoothly pull it off it proves that you're a good PUA (or that she's a moral-less slut), but my goal is self-improvement, not approval. What if it's a less serious relationship that's been going on for like a month or two? And also, if the guy's a tool or just acts like a dumbass, would you guys go for it regardless of how serious the relationship is?

how was the guy acting? more detail pls

usually i dont for girls wif bfs becos i dont like breaking people up, but i handle puas or players who hit on my gf with a laugh, or say hi to the guy and let him know im a pua as well.

The guy seemed a little bit clingy to be honest. Doesn't seem to be a PUA. Seems to be better than an AFC though. Unfortunately, after adding her to MSN, I discover that they seem to be in a serous relationship. Her display pic is a picture of them about to kiss. And she has her name, his name, and a heart as her display name.

If I didn't care about morals. I'd totally go for it. I was flirting with her online last night. Definitely not as fun as flirting with a girl in real life, but judging by the number of emoticons she used, her response time, and overall level of enthusiasm, I definitely flipped quite a few attraction switches. So tempted to ask her out, and I'm 100% confident she would gladly accept and not flake. Stupid morals. Wish there were more hot chicks that are actually single.

yeah.. stay away from girls with boyfriends.. It is not the girl, it's the process.

why break someone up when you can get a more attractive single chick.

I have been in a situation where i was really really into, and kind of emotionally attached to a girl with a boyfriend. so i've been there. and haha, this was a couple years ago, i remember asking advice on how to get with her anyways, and BF-destroyers and stuff like that. She had always said she was unhappy in her relationship.

I think there are a number of rules that I follow that dictate my morals in terms of girls with boyfriends, but they are just really complicated.

I think everything is just on a situation by situation basis, so just evaluate it yourself, and if it meets your requirements, well sure go for it, but if it doesn't... just leave it alone and find a single girl.

i'd abandon ship, not for morals sake, but most of the time, it can come back to bite you in the ass.

Yeah I probably should leave this one alone. She's going out with a friend of a friend anyways. And I see both these guys regularly at the library I study at. The guy's kind of a dumb ass though. When I was studying last night he was saying some really stupid shit. I don't know why they're together and in such a serious relationship. I'm off to class and hopefully some more openers.

yeah, you should probably leave them alone. why let a AFC suffer? let him enjoy the girl, there are DEFINITELY better hot girls out there who are single. and single girls are easier to game. no boyfriend, no hassle.

aside from that, i have been tempted to go after some girls with bfs, but after i meet the guys i decide not to. seriously, some of the guys are seriously great people. Maybe a AFC here and there, but they are really nice guys who truly deserve the girl. if they are jerks or just plain horrible - no problem.

part of this comes from my morals - part of this also comes from my current training to be a dating advisor. I want to help mend relationships - not break them. Helping a relationship strengthen is very satisfying.

The dog sniffing for a sneak attack. Lovely.
The arena spews the gladiator, and the battle is there for the fight. The asshole comes up, puts his arm around her, and you get thrown off balance. This happened to me when I was at the bar which my friend betrayed me in. Two other guys were trying to hit on her, and I hugged her waist gently, and asked the guy "Which song do you like bro?". He said no biggie, and walked away. Diffused, and I was winning. Gotta show them who's boss.
This is my dilemma as well. Morality. From the basic PUA reading I've done so far, morality is a crutch. The prime mission is fucking the girl you see. Everything else is secondary, IF you can accomplish the first perogative with no problem.
IMO, If you want the girl, show who's boss. That's the way it's appearing. If someone throws you off frame, don't buckle, and work around it. Some guys take delight in killing YOUR vibe to ascend theirs. Indifference, which is what I've been advised IRL, is the key. Who cares? Vibe is killed, save YOUR good vibe, and take it to another group.

If the guy is a tool or dumbass...doesn't matter. You want the girl, take the girl. If she goes with you over the tool, that's the tools problem, not yours. She fucked you, not him. He didn't. You won he lost.

Do you bro. Be you.

btw could you like say how was the bf acting exactly? i want to know how stupid it is lol

I took a wager, from past experience, that this BF was one of those "natural" guys who just protected what was his, simple as that.

But, Mr.Metal didn't mention if this guy was her BF, or just some dominant asshole. It LOOKS like it was a BF situation, but perhaps the guy was talking to her earlier, or he was THAT confident (From what I'm reading, it's not right or wrong to put your arm around a girl to show dominance. Getting the girl is getting the girl).

I'd say the problem is solved. All Mr.Metal has to decide is whether he wants or does not want the girl, or any girl being coveted by another guy, BF or not. His choice.

i think he mentioned that the guy was her bf and they were in a serious relationship.

trouble is whether he's a stupid asshole lol. i wouldnt mind taking the girl if the bf is like that.

but if the bf is a great guy, and trust me, many guys out there are, then of course, i would drop her and go find another.

I forgot Mr.Metal made a second (and third) post. Doh.
Just because he's not a "PUA" doesn't mean he can't attract her. I don't identify myself as a PUA (And I never will. I am Rune, and that's that). Perhaps he's flying on dumb luck, or she likes him naturally. Who knows?
Your morality is your issue. You wanna fuck her? Then do it. Do you respect the BF? Then respect and let it be. Your choice. Hell, if you're tempted, flip a coin.

But know something about girls...once you get them feeling good, they get HOOKED, like crack. Perhaps Mr.Dum Dum makes her feel good without him realizing it. (I just realized something on my own side...I'm too much of an asshole with girls. Bordeline abusive. I yell at them, tell them to cut their shit, and attempt to keep them in line. I can't be nice to girls).

But yeah man, just because someone isn't a "PUA" doesn't mean they're hapless "AFCs" (These labels and associations worry me. I'm gonna write a thread on this...)
Choose an option.
A)Fuck Her
B)Don't fuck her

Whatever you do, decide.

If you want my recommendation, don't fuck her. You see them on a constant basis. God forbid BF finds out you slipped your cock in...that's gonna be a big mess.

(I apologize for not reading the next posts. I am very in the moment, and run on impulse)

The guy's got confidence...dominance maybe...probably a natural. He probably beats me in terms of experience with women, but I seem to rape him in terms of knowledge. And good thing experience is something I can pick up easily thanks to being in college. Depending on this girl's level of morals and if I play my cards right, I definitely can pull this off.

Rune's basically telling me to go for it and not care about the consequences. Toolfan is telling me to be morally righteous and lay off, provided that this BF is not an asshole. Both arguments make sense. But I am definitely more swayed by the moral standpoint. After all, he is a friend of a friend. Shit could get awkward and I don't wanna risk a friendship for a date or two. But Rune's argument is definitely in the back of my head. Guess it's human nature to be selfish and place your own desires before that of other people.

The guy (from what I've seen so far) is kind of a dumb ass. He doesn't act retarded or awkward, but just says shit that DLVs himself. While we were studying at this table (not that I'd want to bond with the guy or anything, he just happened to be there) he was talking about how imported sports cars should not be driven in North America because the roads here are (apparently) way too shitty and it would be wasteful to do so. Wow seriously? Naturally everyone at our table thought he was an idiot for saying that.

I kinda have to go soon, but Mr.Metal, I will impart one last bit of advice.

Knowledge doesn't mean shit if you can't apply. You do or you don't do.

I leave you to make the decision.