DISCLAIMER: None of the following results should be used as basis for a conclusion on the worth of any particiular system or method. There was alot of variables in this test that could have, and most likley did effect the results. You should try out each method/system for yourself before you draw any conclusions! The results are in no way defenitive. No method should be judged by the results of this test. Try each one out for yourself before you judge.

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The Methods Used:

Mystery Method
Charisma Arts (Juggler's Method)
PuaTraining (not stealth attraction stuff)
Vin Dicarlo
Real Social Dynamics

10 random practionairs from each of the above methods was taken out for both day and night game. 3 hours of day game, 5 hours of night game.

The results:

The Mystery method guys did the worst and in both day and night game. Many of them ran the same routines over and over again for both day and night game.

A few numbers were collected durring day game, a few at night and one makeout I believe.

Charisma Arts: These guys were intersting to watch. They built great rapport during both day and night. Almost all of them number closed successfully more than once. No mae outs during the day, a few at night.

PuaTraining: These guys were good. Nothing amazing, but good. During the day, many of them got solid closes, and even a couple makeouts occured. The escelated more than both the MM guys, and Charisma Arts guys. Night game was fun for this group. Not as technical at the two formentioned groups, and more technical than the Dicalro or RSD group, I define many of these guys as semi natural. Night game: Lots of numbers, several make outs, two club pulls.

Vin Dicarlo group: These guys were good! they wre much less "technical" then the previous three groups. They used no routines at all and had genuine fun. LOTS of numbers during the day, several makeouts. At night, much the same. Lots of numbers, several make outs, a few club pulls.

The winner of the bunch: RSD. ASlthough the RSD guys did a bit worse than the dicarlo guys at day game, they dominated the club. What was amusing is that when it came to the club, the RSD group and the DiCarlo group was pretty simular. The one thing that made the RSD group more successful was that they escelated faster. Lots of makeouts, many of them would turn down numbers as that wasnt their goal. Several club pulls.

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good read but like you said there can be lots of variables

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'Nothing is impossible to a willing mind'

Have you ever thought about that the methods are simply learning stages in a bigger PUA voyage?

We start with the MM most of us and move on to other methods...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I find some of the results kind of logic.

MM: is focused on a complete model and most guys fail at using it and end up being social robots (that's why many failed, especially in day game)

Charisma Arts: based on creating a connection, no wonder they did well on day game and they sucked at night (you can't talk a lot in night game, because of music, etc...)

PUAT: I see them as a mixture. They want to be naturals but they don't quite make it, but they understand how to transmit sexual vibe.

VinD: Sexual, sexual, sexual. They do great in night game because they can show off that alpha male vibe, and they know how to touch (Vin D kino ladder, if you don't know what's this, just ask.)

RSD: The straight forward material they use, sucks at day game because it's too forward for most women but at the night game, when girls are looking for a sexual partner and not someone to talk... Being direct (as RSD) is a great method.


In conclusion:

This is interesting because you can see the Pros and Cons of each method, during Day and night.

Ezo added something interesting about the voyage of a PUA and I agree we all merge from one method to another.

In my opinion a mPUA don't use only one method, he creates it's own method, he even change his own method during the course of the day and night, depending on the situation, the girls, and so on...

Remember a key to become a great PUA is adaptation (and also calibration).

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Im going to repeat this experiment with more groups in the near future.

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I actually regret wasting so much time with MM.

I still use some aspects of it, like the logistical aspects of bouncing and extracting, and I guess it's kinda cool that I can microcalibrate out of sheer habit, but overall MM held me back and hindered my development a lot.

Chief, I know exactly what you mean. I was also too scared to leave it behind and to stubborn to realize that it was not the only true answer!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I find it funny that whenever I get tired of using MM and try to move to other methods I come back to MM. And this cycling have happened several times.
Maybe my character is situable for MM.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

A lot of my students have started off with the MM and moved on the natural and so on... Now as a teacher I don't like to say that one is better than the other. What I do is go out myself, test each way, see what works best, and paste it all together for the ultimate pickup. Now I have developed my own unique way of doing so and eveyone should do the same. Find out what lines work out well in a situation and use them. Every form of PU is great in some way. Using them all together can only result in greatness.

The problem with Mystery Method guys, is unless you learn it from a Venusian Arts' instructor, you're most likely going to learn in incorrectly.

Even if you're pretty intelligent, it's easy to learn wrong. I run with a fair few MM guys from time to time. And they appear more 'natural' than a lot of other guys.

You can use MM on dancefloor game totally non-verbal. And it works extremely well. (in my experience)

The thing with sexual method's or overtly direct methods, is chicks generally have to make a quick decision on you, which will mostly be based on looks.

A lot of people that learn MM from a book, most likely don't know how to get sexual, or probably try running verbal game on dancefloors. Whatever method you use, do NOT run verbal game, on dancefloors.

Why would you learn a method from a book, and not an instructor. It's like trying to learn a martial art from a book. You're going to suck at it.

Much Love

~Finesse

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

As xfman saidMM is the complete model. so it leads all the way up until seduction, The MM runs for days not just a Day/night number/kiss close. And if you play MM right it means she'll want to see you and sleep with you again.

The M3 Model i still think is present (if only slightly) in most pick-up methods. I think by focusing on the M3 Model more than the whole Mystery Method will allow you to change and adapt it to suit you, which is what i'm doing.

I'd like to hear people thoughts on this, The M3 Model Vs the Whole Mystery Method. because the M3 should allow you to have sex with the girl multiple times, rather than a 1 night lay. However the speed of which the M3 Model can be escalated i feel it could be adapted for a one night-er if thats what you're after.

also the report was very interesting. It would be good to see one mPUA try all the methods and not put he's own stuff in, follow each method to a T and see what happens.

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My Journey to become a pick-up artist

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Meh I woulda done better than all the people in the test so the results are irrelevant to me.

LOL, I love how this has turned into a debate ovver the effectivness of MM.

In case you guys don't know, I've been repeating this experiment (one time just isn't enough data to come to any good conclusion) and I'll go ahead and give you guys a spoiler:

***Mystery Method guys lose again.***

I'll be making another post when im fully done with all the data I got for the second time runing this experiment. You guys will find it interesting.

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They need to stop using it incorrectly then ( ;
I'm sure it will certainly be 'interesting' coming from a DiCarlo/RSD fanboy ( ;

.Love

~Finesse

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

I just did a forum search for all threads by "Liquid Finesse" within the Lay Reports section of the thread.

Zero results.