Aaaah! People still dont get it! Read the entire thread!

Im saying that people should use pickup as it was intended, that gives the best results. To make a good first impression.

Im just giving advice against thinking that your new skills can get you that girl that you have been after for ages. She already knows who you are!

And I like my soapbox thank you very much!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

This isn't a black or white issue. Plenty of gray areas . . . but still . . .

How do nearly ALL people find relationships? It's not really a "pick up" but a "set up". A friend introduces you or you meet somebody in your office, class, etc . . .

Non PUA's are limited to proximity and repetition of that proximity. They merely "fall into" relationships out of convenience but somehow end up justifying their attraction to "It was meant to be", "She's the most beautiful girl", "We get along so well," No . . . the truth is that she's sitting on your lap already and you go with it because it requires absolutely no work. What the hell kind of pick up skills do you need for that?

The PUA's dating pool is the entire Universe of girls.

In any given week, think of all the beautiful and incredible women that you see. Why is it that so many men reduce their dating pool to the girl he "works with, a friend's friend, a girl who lives across the street"? They do this because they are non pua's. They do this because this is what nearly EVERY MAN in the World does. And if everybody does it, there's nothing particularly wrong with that but I don't know why so many think so highly of the acronym "P-U-A" that they feel the need to label themselves with it. This is like calling yourself a doctor because you like to fool around with a stethoscope.

You guys are here to improve your skills. Stop dissonance reducing your situation by justifying what you are doing is somehow related to pick up and consider ACTUALLY improving yourself. Begin with acceptance, not a list of excuses.

Ezo is a pickup snob

hehehehehehehehe

I admit it...

Actually our all time favourite pickup snob took a long hot bath and analyzed what actually annoys me about the things I just complained about.

After realizing that I am a pickup snob I sought an explanation for it. I came to think about a lot of the posts I have made like dealing with AA and a lot of other "deeper" issues.

What ticks me off is a common thing in a lot of the posts I see. People are constantly trying to avoid facing their difficulties. Like only going in your social circle it is avoiding the approach. Using routines (sticking with them) is avoiding learning the game structure for real. (Ok that is unfair I know, just trying to get the point across here.) Only focusing on outer game is avoiding to deal with your inner problems.

Why does this tick me off? Because I am guilty of it as well. I have done my fair share of exactly this for the major part of my life. This is what has been holding me back. Avoiding to face my fears! Well, no more (as I said a year ago)!

Guys, I know it is difficult, believe me, I know exactly what you feel, fear is a difficult opponent! But if you seek personal improvement, this is what you have to do!

Love to you all

Ezo

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Touché!

Well nobodys perfect. However we can try to face our fears whenever we find them and understand that we have found them.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

It's a fundamental quality you see on all these forums, and broadly speaking, in all community groups that I've encountered in pickup. The reason why it's so widespread, in my opinion, is that it's just standard human nature in a social environment. This is partly why I set up my own PU group. So we can all learn together. I made it one of our three laws:
You'll never, ever get the right mentality on such a large site like this where people don't know each other well and where social (conformity) effects (albeit online) are rife.

I always write about my sticking points on our board and what steps I have taken to improve upon them. Not everyone cares to develop themselves so meticulously though, because it requires humiliating yourself to other people and yourself.

This and the semantics of what a "pick up" is, are what I thought you were getting at. Now I see where you are coming from and you make good points, thanks for clarifying.

I don't think your avatar helps you communicate your intention very well

...but I love your new signature haha

from my experiance this is 90% true

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Do not follow where the path may lead.
Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.

no need to define everything and get technical, pickup is just a self help, self confidence book in disguise, its whatever you want it to be as long as it gets you where youre going

Still not reading before typing...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn