There are so many posts out there that get my hopes up, I see a great Subject line and when I start reading the text it is not pickup at all.

Like how do I handle this AMOG, how do I use my female wing, how do I neg this girl, how do I etc etc etc...

I can give advice on AMOGing, on winging, on negging, on routines, on inner game whatever, anything you like. If it is a pickup situation that is.

A pickup situation is basically any situation where boy meet girl and tries to attract her. Let me clarify this, boy meet girl he doesnt already know.


The techniques we learn, the game structure we use, the routines you are so fond of, the lies upon lies or the bodylanguage you mimic are all designed for one purpose, giving you the chance.

One exception, inner game, confidence or being an awesome guy, whatever you wanna call it.

Giving you what chance? Going from stranger to partner? Not really, going from stranger to being accepted into her life.

The things we mainly discuss here are designed to make sure you dont screw up and come off as a complete loser when you go in for first contact. After you have passed this stage and have built attraction and comfort, it is all up to you to dazzle her with your wonderful personality.

So this stuff will not help you get your friends friend or your classmate or any girl who already have an opinion of you.

Pickup is about going in and giving her the right opinion about you. If she already has an opinion you can try to change it but guess what in most of the cases you are already screwed. Either she likes you or she dont.

So what about the girl in your class? Will negging her do any good? Negs, used to destroy any signal that you are interested when you FIRST approach... NO they are not. She has known you for a while, she has already felt if you are interested or not, too late man.
Will it help you AMOG the guy in your class? NO, it will not, he has a history of kicking you in the ass, he will not suddenly stop just because you have a witty comeback or stand up straight or befriend him. He already know who you are.
Will you be able to wing your friend when he is hitting on a friends friend? NO, a wing is there for social proof and flipping switches that you cannot flip yourself without sounding stupid. You are not winging him, you are just two guys trying to get the other laid.

So you see, hitting on someone in your social circle is not pickup. It is just hitting on someone.

Pickup. Go there, pick her up, bring her along. Logical huh?

In my unfounded opinion, pickup, like sales, is a dying art.

Gone are the days were salespeople actually try to convince someone to buy something. Now they just find the buyers, and make 'em buy more...

Similarly, gone are the days where PUAs are taught to pickup. Instead, they learn from the community certain skills that enable them to expose themselves to girls that have already decided they're game for the night.

For me, the true art of PU is picking up someone who you've never met and who had no prior preconception of being picked up, or, often actively trying to resist it.

There's enough tang out there just to settle for less, though.

I disagree, cold approach, warm approach, the difference is a bit of social proof.

And some extra confidence.

I always thought warm approaching was when she kinda gave you signals that she wants you to approach...

If its still picking up, i call it pick up lol

Its all about prospective. A PIck Up is a PIck up is a PIck up....whether you know her from before or you don't. Pick up to me is triggering those switches of attraction where a woman finds you irrestable, attractive and WANTS YOU. ONly because she finds you attractive looking and is 'game' doesnt mean its not a pick up.

We all know of some guy who women find attractive at first but then 'the guy screws up everytime' and they lose attraction !

So you're saying everything I've learned on this forum is bullshit and that I'm an exceptionally attractive guy? For some reason I always pull my friends' friends from home at university, so much that it's guaranteed, so I disagree with you on this. Without PUA I doubt I'd be able to do this time and time again. With PUA I have changed so much and for the better too.

I'm going to coin a new term, "Pick Up Snob".

Too often I see pointless threads like this started by more experienced guys, like you're running out of things to discuss on these forums.

Say the last man on earth happens to be an 800 pound slob and the only reason he gets laid is because he's got the only dick on the planet. Is it a pickup? Isn't it a pickup? WHO THE FUCK CARES? The guy is having success, just be happy for him.

I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

Also, I have a date with a friend of a friend this weekend and the shit that I've learned has helped me to attract her and set this up, without question.

I personally always enjoy reading your threads Ezo as you always bring up a lot of valid points in regards to your opinion.

Now in regards to this particular thread, it is very hard to disagree with your opinion if that is what your stating. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument revolves around this statement as being fact?
EZO quote
A pickup situation is basically any situation where boy meet girl and tries to attract her. Let me clarify this, boy meet girl he doesnt already know.

By stating this, you have tried to create a fact out of an opinion that belongs to you. Your following argument revolves to situations that only apply to mainly your experiences.

Like you said Ezo, the idea is going from stranger to being accepted into her life.

The game has provided tools that can re-structure perception. My personal opinion revolves on the fact the 99.9% of the members here are trying to have a clearer perception of who they are, and aligning those perceptions with their actions.

Which brings me to my argument. INTENTION....which also brings me to mental block, lol

I was going somewhere with this but I lost track...I WILL CONTINUE THIS

Being new, I would like to share my perspective.

I am a practitioner in the Art of Seduction. Seduction exists between all people. Here we emphasize the Art of Pick-up. Pick-up uses the same principles that can and do apply between employee/employer, heterosexual, homosexual, and political relationships. Do people like to be challenged outside of a pickup? Do people want you to lead their emotional states as long as they are happy? Should you be effected by random failures ( shutdowns )?

It would be sad for members of this community to use what they learn here in only one area of their lives.

Can you use the information here to seduce someone you have known since the 1st grade?

Yes.

Although a new book could be written to cover how... the basics of the process is this:

Do the same thing, but take A LOT of time doing it. In Pickup you can #close in 30 seconds, K-Close in 3 minutes, F-close in 5 minutes. We are dealing with limited time frames to instill certain mindsets and accomplish specific goals. If you have to change the perception of someone within your social circle, you must come with natural game. Bullshit wont work. To DHV requires proof. Negs aren't necessary but can be very useful with more ammunition from past experience. Needless to say, if you bring your game to this situation, is should be for a LTR. If your that much of a dog that you would work so hard for a one nighter.. your social circle will probably shrink quickly ...

Byron

Bahaha "PUS" I like that.

I sort of get where your coming from because most of everything we know is used on a girl right from the get go and proves to be a lot more effective then using it on someone that you already know (e.g. friend of friend, old friend, etc...) but this should not stop anyone from trying to pick up a girl that they've known for years and never had the tool to get, until now.

Yes, that is correct. This is of course my opinion and not fact.


PUS... Pick-Up Snob, I actually have to agree with you, I guess that is what it should be called.

But it all depends on the intention of the post.

See it like this, if I would write this with the sole intention of showing people that I dont like their way of sarging their social circle that would be more than a bit arrogant.

However, this is not the case, I have a message that I hoped would be clear from this post.

I tried to illustrate the fact that too many people equals the "normal" cold approach pickup techniques with the ones you use in seducing a "friend".
This rarely works. Im only trying to say that if you as a new guy come here and see all these pieces of advice and cool oneliners and so on you would think that "hey Im gonna try that out on Emma my friends sister that I have known for 10 years now".
So you start with some games and routines and in the beginning she finds ESP fun and entertaining. Then you have rapidly run out of material and you start negging her because thats the second best thing you know. And it doesnt work anyways. You use everything in your little bag of tricks and still she is not a bit more attracted to you, maybe she sees you as a funnyer guy or she more likely think that you have started acting wierd around her. You are acting too cool for school suddenly and she feels uncomfortable around you.

So basically you are changing the way you behave into a way that is not congruent with who you are. You can get away with this when it comes to dealing with strangers but people you already know will react on that you have changed. In most cases they will not like it. They might accept it once it becomes part of you but a sudden overnight change is not gonna work.


So, I guess I must admit I was being a bit anal before, not all the things you learn here is useless when it comes to people you already know. Knowledge about gamestructure and attraction is always useful. Im talking about the "classical" Mystery method techniques like negging DHV stories, peacocking etc etc.


This was not a post on the semantics of what is called a pickup and what is not even though I realize it could be mistaken for one, my bad. This was a post on the importance of seeing the difference between using game to create a great first impression (which it was designed for anyway) and using the skills to seduce a "friend". You gotta be careful or at least know what you are doing if you are trying that.

Hope that clarifies it.

One more thing. Trixsta, if you pull girls you are an attractive guy by definition, congrats!

Ezo - Pick-Up Snob

I don't like reading the posts Ezo is referring to either. My pickup game consists almost exclusively with girls I don't know. I think this has alot to do with my age though. I'm 30 years old and have lived and sarged in 4 major cities in my life so far.

The only time you should have to worry about picking up girls that already have a preconceived notion of you is when you're in highschool. Sure I develop a social clique but if I ever get tired of the clique and find we're not being surrounded by constant new influxes of HB's, I will take my friends, one at a time, with me to new places (away from the clique spots) and not go back there until there is enough of an HB turnover to satisfy my liking.

Also, I use day game a ton so everyone I meet out and about is new.

I wouldn't have this any other way.

Everyone is a stranger at some point. Who cares if your friend introduces you, or whatever the situation is. You still have to have game to make it happen. Come down off your soapbox with the rest of us.

I didn't really explain it very well, last night I burned my pubes off in front of everyone then when they went to bed I came and posted on here (where else!), so please let me explain in more detail

I rarely ever cold approach. So by your definition I suck at PUA and I'm not a PUA, maybe so.

Now, your whole argument is based on your opinion of what a pickup situation is:
There's nothing wrong with that if that's what you believe, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I can give you another perspective.

With my experiences in life and learning laws of attraction and shit from PUA I now consistently pull girls that friends in my university block bring from home. How?

Well, with the above I am a confident, funny guy, and with massive social proof I can quickly build an attractive persona to the girl. She's never met me before but I am surrounded by many girls, some pretty, some not (preselection?). Bit of banter before we go out then when we go out plenty of kino which inevitably leads to a kiss/shag.

Is that a pickup? I would say it is. I have a set method which is basically being my natural self and using concepts of PUA which has worked time and time again. The girls are strangers but the approach is warm, already got rapport as we have the same in common, although that doesn't pull the girl alone.

Wikipedia says this, not the best of sources but still:
So I do the last two, but I could argue that I am a PUA as I've used my massive social circle to get to meet as many girls as possible. Social proofing is a concept of game. I wouldn't say I was a PUA but I could argue I was. Anyone can argue anything, but there are always two sides of the coin!