I guess you can say i am a natural and after reading the game i have become unstoppable. However i encountered something that made me freeze.

This girl has been dating this guy for 2 and a half years and is madly in love with him. I seduced her while we were both sobre and we both made out sobre... and she still started crying from guilt. I naturally backed off and just started whispering in her ear a little kino ect... but froze... i was afraid to push any further in fear of her crying again.

Later, I got her to admit that she wanted more and if she had let me feel how wet she was she didn't know what she would have done. She wants to see me again but I am not entirely sure what to do if the tears start flowing again. I mean tears is a turn off but she is an HB10 (which i want as a g/f).

I thought about being romantic and telling her i will kiss her tears away... or being dirty and saying "save some lubricant for later" (which she would hit me for and i would reply j/k and give her some playful body language)... or say something funny, "i know im big but, it's not that big; don't cry".Shes always saying how i do things that remind her of her b/f... but what i do is better (i get her to admit later)... How do i not remind her of her b/f and stop making her feel guilty.

how do i stop the tears! I tried to get her to go on a break ect to stop the guilt... not happening until i completely blow this guy away with my skills tho... but i need to get passed this breaking point to show her what i got.

Should i try some physiologic stuff like, "clear your mind, enjoy the pleasure, picture a waterfall"... has anyone ever made a workaround for this and field tested it?

I want a new g/f guys... i'm not just trying to get laid. help me out here. As my best friends mom said, "If their married, they are off limits; if they are dating, it's game". If the guy hasn't at least proposed after 2 years, hes a douche and not sure about her. They have lived together for a year... what else more does he need?

Simple: he doesn't appreciate her: i do.

I would normally get her to break up with him... but he is her first... it's virgin syndrom... and she doesn't want to cheat but she wants to be with me more... shes confused. I want her to see that EVERYTHING is better with me and leave him for me. At which point i would break up with my g/f (not cheat) because i can't see myself marrying her. Make sense now guys?

Ok I think your problem is that she is in heartbreak over her bf but even so, you're still tempted to push her on. Take a step back and wait until her feelings have at least settled then move in. I mean, considering they have been out for 2 years jumping straight into another relationship can have some drastic consequences. My advice would be to at least be there for her because I've been there.. and having noone to talk to afterwards is a complete nightmare. I wish you good luck.

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You misunderstood. She is still in the relationship and feels guilty doing stuff with me. I am keeping her roped in... but i can't seem to get her to break up with him.

Has nobody ever had to deal with the guilt cry? Am i the only PUA out there... I am sure most of you would just move on because it's a pain in the ass... I strive to be the best of the best. It has been a while since i had a challenge.

PS... i haven't told her i want her to be my g/f... that would totally make her lose interest. That is just what i want for my reputations sake.

girls are crazy, they'll get themselves into situations they shouldn't be in and cry about how guilty and bad they feel, they are emotional messes

either way shes not over him, so no matter if you get her or not, your always going to be a replacement of some sort

I will tell you what to do thou its not moral

1st - dont call this guy by his name... when you talk about him tell something like "i dont understand that guy..."like he is nothing compared to you, that he doesnt impress you

2nd - you always understand her, and if he did something wrong tell her... "i know what you mean, but he really blew it hard by doing that"... Dont directly shit on him, do it in way that you understand her and that you are on her side...

3rd - emotionally connect with her - "i know what you mean", "i think same", "i understand you", "you are right, i would do the same", "i like that too!" etc ...

Dude it works and its rly rly not nice controlling girls this way and taking them from guys this way... But fuck it, there is no rules in love and war. So I say go for it !

Good, some NLP tactics. I like it. Anymore BF destroyers? Since V-day is coming up, i am going to build her up to thinking she will get something great from him (a marriage proposal). When the douche doesn't do it, what ever he gets her; she will be disappointed haha. Then i will tell her, "2 and a half years and still nothing. Hes not sure about you, i know how you feel. You must feel like he wants to be with other girls. I am telling you from experience he does. He hasn't played the field like i have. He has just been with you so long, hes not sure how to break up with you. So he is hoping you will grow tired of him or find another great guy to take you off his shoulders."

My $.02 - Just continue building value and showing her a great time. Make her feel like a million bucks. Reward her with good feelings for being with you. Go easy on the negs, but keep it playful (when she's not in a state). If she's bawling, don't neg her, use a confidence builder statement and also talk with her about the great times you're *going* to have with her in the future. Make sure when she's thinking about the future and fun things she's going to do, YOU are the one in the vision she has in her mind. Tell her about "when you and I go to the beach this summer..." or "when I take you sailing..." or "when we have dinner at that restaurant," she's only envisioning you. Show potential for a long future relationship (pair bonding). Don't just tell her you'll be there for her, illustrate the ways you'll be there. She'll open up to sex with you, and that's when you'll have your hook. Once you're having sex with this girl, the other guy is toast.

DON'T mention the boyfriend. He doesn't exist as far as you're concerned. Don't try to play the jealous routine because it just shows you as a try-hard and diminishes your value. Let her make the choice by being excellent, and she'll see on her own that this other guy is a chump even if he did get to take her v-card.

Besides, virgin sex is never very good for the girl. It usually hurts, bleeds some, is awkward, etc. In her mind she might have an emotional attachment to this guy because he pegged her first, but as a sexual being you have an opportunity to be her first "lover" rather than the first guy who nailed her.

Personally I don't believe in boyfriend destroyers.

When I was an AFC, if I got lucky and ended up with a girlfriend and dated her for 2 years and a half, then some guy takes her away knowing that she had a boyfriend. Personally I would find the guy, and probably kill him or break body parts.

Some guys are suicidal too, I wouldn't want to have the guilt that some guy killed himself because I stole his girlfriend.

Might just be me though. I'm not telling you or anyone to change.

You can't "destroy" a boyfriend. Sure you should be careful, make sure he's not a psycho, but the fact is there are a lot of high demand girls, or girls who are afraid of being alone - are never single. They stay with one boyfriend that they may be tired of until a better one comes along, and dump him then. That's life.

I'd tell you to do it...remember kharma though!

Have experience with that bf killer shit and trust me... it works . It is all about DLV-ing him and DHV-ing yourself + getting emotional connectino with her like you understand every freaking thing she says or does.

Last chick i was playing with and practicing bf killer shit was like "my bf is gr8 bla blaaaaa" (she was with him about 1 year +)... After one month she was comparing me with him and i was like "prefect", "great" etc... and he was an selfish asshole with who she isnt actually connected how she thought and so on... and of course she left him (so i needed one month to get rid of chump). If i wanted to make it faster i could but i played on safe cause i needed time from her to get in comfort phase so she can tell me things about her relationship so i can use it to DLV-him. After she left him i transition to something else if she wants to mention him again.

That's exactly what I mean.

The other thing is - if he is really a great guy and a perfect boyfriend for her - you WON'T destroy him. Don't kid yourselves guys, there is no guarantee for anything so don't talk about the "morals" of doing this like it's as simple as pushing someone off a cliff. Fact is, if you're more attractive than him, she goes for you, if not, she doesn't. You don't "destroy" anyone.

This technique doesnt have anything with "him" . It is a great mind fuck game. Deppends on your game and how good are you with this technique, but there is no "perfect" bf so it can work on everyone... The question is how good are you .

It is a metaphorical destroying. You don't have to be better looking then a guy to win the girl. In fact i am better looking then most guys and have failed to pick up girls from ugly guys. It depends what she likes. Like someone said earlier. You need to devalue the guy. If a girl is talking to you and she has a b/f... that means she is considering it or maybe she is tired of her b/f.

In my case; she is madly in love with her b/f... but admits that i am better, but doesn't want to risk losing him because she knows him better then me. I just have to keep working her. Convince her that we know eachother so well ect.

In the mean time, i got 5 others I'm seeing. Maybe one of them would be better suited.