Hey guys,

New to the the forum and the community. I'll give you guys the semi-short and sweet version.

In retrospect, after watching some YT vids, I guess I could be defined as a natural. Most of my life my whole game has revolved around being a confident dude and using negs (now that I know what they are) and false disqualifiers (now that I know what they are) and just being an overall aggressive dude with women.

I just came out of a one-year LTR (I won't bore you with the details). Anyway, for the past three months, I've hooked-up with around six women. My game - if you can even call it that - is beyond rusty. I've watched some YT videos and some of the PUAs are amazing - plain and simple.

A recent situation which made me realize I need to up my A Game:

Around a month a ago, I met a woman at a coffee shop by my place of employment. She constantly flirts with me and gives me IOIs, yet it's all over the place. She eventually told me she's had a BF for 5 or 6 months or whatever the fuck. She tells me about what positions she's into, how she likes it, the whole deal, etc. I haven't even let it phase me. I'm like, that's cool, OK.

She gave me her number and we have sent texts and talked like once or twice. One day some stalker dude was harassing her and she asked me to help her. I told this dude to take a hike and bouce or get bounced. She thanked me, then sent me a text and said thanks, etc.

She also wanted to chill one night and go roller skating or some shit. I told her I had plans and it wasn't going to happen. She has a ton of dudes who sweat her, buy her shit, it's pretty hilarious.

Either way, whatever happens, I could care less. I just want to up my game and acquire the skillset to weed through this type of BS and/or mixed signals. I don't want an LTR, I just want to up my game.

Lastly, if this woman was happy in her relationship, why the hell would she want to hangout? I know a woman can find you attractive and have zero interest.

right,

firstly about this girl. personally i don't bother with girls who have bf's. unless there is a special circumstance like she tells me she is about to break up with him. a lot of girls with bfs love to flirt but don't want to take it anywhere. this girl sounds like trouble. i would only agree to see her if she comes straight over to yours.

how to get started in the community. i don't know if its the same in america but in the uk there are very few self professed pua's who can really rival the skills of a solid natural. what you need to do is to find wings (either naturals you know from real life or puas off the internet) and do proper sarging. that means the whole point of the night is to meet women. if you hit the same venues with the same people you will get great results. and stay off the booze. definitely don't get drunk. if you can't find wings then you could just go out on your own and do day game.

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Same here. I never mess with women with bfs, because it can be problematic, to say the least. Yeah, I'm definitely not going to sweat this girl, but I was thinking my game was so rusty, I may have missed something. Don't worry, I won't end up like one of the orbiters she has.
Thanks for the advice. I need to find actual PUAs and learn some of the routines, like from A-Z, not any canned stuff.

Guys,

She just called me a few hours ago. Apparently, she wants to go out to eat in a few days.

This is odd. I've read a ton on here, using the search function, about avoiding the Friend Zone like the fucking plague. Instinctively, I've always done this in one form or another. I must admit, the level of game on here - and what I've seen on YouTube - is impressive.

Back-story:

After work yesterday, I went for my habitual post-work coffee. I didn't sweat it, we talked, did some negs, some quasi-kino escalation (I think), etc. She starts talking about college, the boyfriend, what she wants in a relationship and goes off on a tangent. She then starts telling me about how I remind her of the BF, how we say and do similar shit, etc.

Also, she constantly mentions this dude, as if trying to get a reaction from me. I respond by saying he sounds like a nice guy. My bf this, my bf that, etc.

How should I proceed?

We're going out Monday night to some sushi joint. I don't mean to be annoying, but I've never been in this type of situation. When I was younger, I hooked up with a girl in college that was is an LTR, but she didn't tell me for three weeks.

I just want to seal the deal with her, I'm not interested in her for a long-term deal. I've been reading so many routines on here about going from point A to point B, I keep thinking I may fuck something up, sabotage my own game, not calibrate the situation properly, etc. I was up until 6am just reading tons of stuff on here.

I'm going to do what I do, but any input would be a really a big help. Like I said, I tend to be aggressive and confident with women. This chick is no slouch, though. She has tons of dudes hanging around her, all sucked in to her orbit. I have no intention of becoming some orbiting douche, so I really want to avoid any pitfalls or dicey situations.

From the sounds of things she is somewhat interested in what you have to offer regardless of the BF talk. I've seen this situation before with one of my friends and its usually around the "breakup" time. She either wants someone to fall back on or shes just fucking with your head. My guess is that she notices that you aren't the so called "orbitals" you mentioned, and thats what she digs in you. I wouldn't keep up with the dates because they usually lead no where if she has a BF and talks about him, you need to steam it up a little. I def. wouldn't buy her dinner, in fact I make her treat you out, for a change of pace. All in the girl and situation I guess. Whatever happens good luck, and if you can, isolate her a little more. Get in on that next level per-say.

Over,


Thanks, man. I went out with her and we ate some sushi and talked. We went for a walk and I got dissed twice. I hugged her, put my arms around her, because it was cold. She was like stop, all the while smiling. I finally kissed her and we made out for a few minutes. She was like, this is so wrong on so many levels. I was like, yeah, and tried to make out with her again. I'm not going to lie, I didn't get laid, dude. She gave me the silent SPAM in the car.

What the fuck? If she doesn't call me, or if she acts all weird when I buy my coffee on Friday, I'm going to cut that shit lose, bro.

Like my buddy said, this chick seems like trouble.