hey guys i got a question, and it will be a little long. its geared toward some individual help but any guys who can relate i would love other views



well to start it off for those of you who dont talk to me, im mR.e, im 18 and have been in game for almost 2 years. i specialize high school game a lot work on it just by myself of the most part, been through all the social problems and found out how to become known at school from being a random freshman know one knew (because girls my age are different then your average bar girl ha!) so, here is my problem..

i met this girl in one of my classes, she was knew to the school from transfering from different schools (home school, community college, all that) just on her own free will. when i saw her i thought, ok easy to work with she is new, new girls are THE EASIEST to get with i feel. so i talk to her, she shuts my shit down. not harshly, but in a way that makes me want to try again. so, i pursue her. now she is one of only two full HB10s at my school. literally, both are models and for there age (both 18) comparable to megan fox, just young. sounds crazy, but i aint making stuff up im picky and they are 10s its nuts. so i start talking to this girl more and more, i finally start to break the barrer from randoms to friends (which took about..1 month?) and it was damn hard. she is very hard to get to open up. i worked harder then with anyone else, and we barely got to friends. now as being friends i have found out a lot about her and guys. she doesnt trust them. one bf cheated on her with a guy, the other one wanted to marry her then she caught him cheating (straight sexin another girl..), and the other one is in jail. she finds it very very hard to trust any male (understandable) so, i learn this and relize i need to build major trust, or kino wont hardly happen at all

fast forward to now (3 months later)
me and her are great friends, she trust me alot more, we go to the gym together, we talk about other people, we are the couple without the kino at all! so now we go to a dance together about 2 weeks ago. she had never been to a dance but asks me to go with her (i new she would) so we go, i teach her to dance, we have fun a little flirting, and thats about it. she turns down other guys that night though for dancing. but when i try and get a little more kino, she doesnt let it happen..it sucks. so over time, i have fond out that every time i try to escalate things, she shuts it down..not in a bad way. she gives off a complete 100% nuetral response every time! literally every single time...its driving me crazy. so, i dont want to complitly all out go for it yet, and see what happeneds, but obviously im not getting to far with just doing things casual and kinda indirect

ok guys, how can i really push this to get a response? i cant tell if she is in to me or not...

i also know, from my friend who some how has known her a long time, that she is ALWAYS hard to read.. so this makes me really wunder you know? once i get a hint that she likes me, i wanna go all out. date her. all that, but i still cant get enough of a postive vibe from her, or any decent kino to go for it

help me mates i need it!

mR.e

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First off . . . and I'm not particularly picking on mR.e but what is it with the featured "pick up gurus" of every male social circle mentioned in this forum? Why do you guys even bother listening to:

"Hmm . . . she is ALWAYS hard to read . . ."
"Hmm. . . she is being a tease . . ."
"Hmm. . . you better give her some space . . . "
"Hmm. . . . Hmm. . . hmm . . . "

These are the type of things people say when they have nothing to say.

Alright mR.e, obviously you made some mistakes. Otherwise you wouldn't be where you are now. The problem is that you believe in the friend - girlfriend - sex paradigm. Even though you logically know (through being in the 'game' for 2 years) that the friend - girlfriend - sex paradigm is an old housewife's tale, you DON'T TRULY believe this.

So instead of just running a simple game on a simple girl, you just did what ever you could do to be close to her. What you did was a hoax, a trick, a sabotage. You're basically telling the girl, "I'm going to be really, really, really nice to you. And then you better fuck me later on. OK?"

There are two things that come out of a girl's mouth that a guy should never take seriously:

1. Her directions while you're driving the car: No good can come from this. If she's wrong, you're late. If she's right, she's succeeded with a minor castration procedure. Just smile, assure her, "it's OK honey . . . thank you . . . aren't you so sweet . . ." And just keep the fuck driving the way you see fit.

2. Whatever the hell a girl says about her relationship(s). This is her attempt to describe her emotions through the "man's language" and it's almost always nothing but a cry for help. She's telling you, "I am the village whore . . . but not really . . .really I'm not. I only fuck around like the village whore but I'm really a princess because my heart was broken. So I am DEFINITELY not going to act like a village whore . . .you know . . .just fuck like a village whore. . . but I'm not really . . . blah, blah, blah, blah, blah . . . "

For some reason, you thought that this was a call for the harmless dancing bear routine. The solution is rather simple . . .

Hey bro, I can tell you right now, it is time to change the BALANCE OF POWER.

Clearly, she is having the power right now and you really like her in a positive way, she is making you crazy and she is your ONEIT and I know 100% that you talk to her everyday. She knows that and she clearly dominates all the situations BUT it is time to change your image and your status doing this:

When you artificially lows your aviability, you automatically increases your value, so in my concept you should let talk to her for 2 days, in that time you'll know that she is missing you and the power is shifting to your side. STOP DOING WHATEVER SHE LIKES YOU TO DO, say NO sometimes and limit your aviability.

In order to get some kino with her, you can say her after the ficticious 2 days of separation, you can say her "You are lucky, I want to dance next friday", in the dancefloor you´ll see the huge difference and for kissing you can say something like: "I have a present for you, close your eyes and open your hand", then KISS HER, it is your only opportunity for close the deal.

Do that and let me know the good news bro!

Good luck!!

kasabi

i do deffinitly see your point, but il just add a little bit that may help the story that maybe i didnt get fully across

when i ment get close to her, i DEFINITELY wasnt just nice to her. i neg her, i dont give her wutever she wants, i turn her down occasionally i really do good game im not sucking up. thats what seems so hard, iv delt with other girls and from there responses i work with it. im nice if i need to be, or a dick or anything in between but with her, its neither! she hates dicks, yet if im too nice she tends to turn down hangin out. but how i found out about her other relationships was becuase i pushed a little when we did hang out, during talking i would gear the convo towards those things such as sex and relationships not only to build some comfor tbut also see how she reacts. her reactions were basic, she doesnt trust guys now, and the last guys were mistakes. but it took alot to get that outa here!

its hard to really break through this shield she has, maybe i do need to go more simple with her but its hard to. she doesnt have a lotta close friends at school (im her closest) and i see her shut down the bone head football guys at school daily. she doesnt need to social value most people do, she is happy being herself

but she is awesome i wanna get past this little rut

oh to the other guy!
i would take her out to dance, but when we danced last time it was a little different then most girls. she had never danced, and didnt wanna dance for too long and found more enjoyment in watching other people dance and commenting on them! she is a different type of girl for her age, not all caught up in school girl drama ya know? thats why it is hard, im amazin with girls my age but she is above that, yet still my age



please add anything else you think i need, anybody ha
mR.e

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Your missing something... ALL THE GUYS SHES DATED ARE UNTRUSTWORTHY ASSHOLES.. your not going to win her over with a sympathy vote.. just game her like all the other girls.

This IS NOT your goal. Your goal is to turn her on and make her your girlfriend. Instead, you have just took whatever she gave you.
Do you see what's going on here? You did this, you did that . . . neg and not suck up and blah, blah, blah. Why not grab her, stare at her eyes and go, "let's go." This is what all of her toothless, high school drop out losers did to fuck her. By the way, these guys have sick game. What the hell do they have to lose? Jobs? Social standing? Public humiliation? The next guy who fucks her will also just grab her and turn her on . . .
Insignificant.
Dude, the 2 things I mentioned previously: NOT a joke. Take any girl for a drive and go in circles on purpose. Then listen to her street directions and let me know how that works for you. All of this violin harping crap is cute when a girl says it, it nearly makes me puke when a guy repeats it. Guys often mistake the approach I'm suggesting, labeling it "insensitive" when the typical reaction is the most insensitive thing in the World. She's trying to tell you, "FUCK ME! FUCK ME! I LOVE IT! But I'm not really into being called a slut . . . sort of . . ." And so you just go, "Golly, OK! I'll just dance around like a circus bear!"
Hey, I love picking on the boneheads but . . .eh hem, aren't you the biggest bonehead here? Look . . . she's a kid. The fact that ALL YOU guys are going after her and getting dissed IS HER VALUE. And sadly, this is probably all she's got to offer to the World. You're merely just one more notch in her pool of boneheads to play her little game.

She is not your age. In terms of the "female" sexual experience and the associated baggage, she's probably older than you. In terms of emotional well being, I'm gonna go out on the limb here and say that she's waaaaay younger than you. Once you realize this . . . well, you do whatever you want to do.

well..shit haha. well said.. i wasnt expecting all that but i guess i need it

il take your advice, i understand how what you said works but im still new to this ha idk what to say.. thank you though i wanted a real good honest response from you

add anything else you think you need to add i guess and il write back what happeneds when we hang out

mR.e

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It's not just one thing or two but as Nelved mentioned, a "shift" in power. Currently, you're her little play thing, keeping her company and continuing to feed her ego by "asking her out" . . .

The idea IS NOT to be an asshole to her but to be the thoughtful "older sibling figure". The younger sibling "asking" her holder brother/sister to do something is NOT the same as the older brother asking the younger brother/sister to do something. The older brother, taking his time out to take care of the younger kid is a FAVOR. The younger kid asking the older brother to take time out is ASKING for a favor. You've GOT to switch the roles with her. She's got to appreciate all that you do for her.

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Go to youtube and study the whole series. Who is doing who the favor?

Ok so I see what I should have done...makes sense. So now what can I do to make up for what if been doing? Anything specific? What kind of example can switch this around for me... Thank u

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dont even think just do it!

^It's this indecisiveness and skirting around the issue that got you into this mess in the first place. There are no magic routines and witchcraft spells. You know exactly what you have to do . . . just go run it.

I agree with Kasabi stop skirting around the issue, just openly go for it.
Ive had this same exact situation in my life same girl, same issues. Here are rules I should have followed but I was young and dumb then.
1. All her sappy stuff she says like guys are dicks and doesnt trust them is totally insignificant dont buy into it
2. Start telling her what to do, if she dont like it dont compromise just walk away, u got better stuff to do then waste your time.
3. no offense she is not special she may seem to stand miles apart from the other girls but she doesn't she is just as typical as the next, DO NOT put her on a pedestal
4. DO not ask her where this going especially before you make the move, Do not ask where do you see this going. Her response will go from I just see us as friends or prolly from the sound of it I really enjoy being friends but idk yet, I need more time to sort stuff out.
5.If you could get her to dance then go for then, brush her hair off her face then while your hands on her face just go for it, dont think just do.

thanks

kasabi how long have you been in game? and what kinda game do you us most often?

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im just curious cause you seem very knowledgable but iv never heard your name outside this forum

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dont even think just do it!

that.


it works.

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Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future

yea i like that one! i have done it before but i still not positive any situation me and her would be in it would work :/

if i had a good amount of time to do this (hangin out at her house or wutever) i would set it up and do that but most of the time she is busy with work at nights, so we work out in the mornings or right after school thats when she isnt busy

every other time she is kinda stacked with working

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dont even think just do it!