Ok here is my problem
I went out with a friend last night and there were 3 chicks there who i would have taken home happily. The problem is, I dont know how to approach them when im sober. So i sat there being quiet, not paying them any attention apart form the odd neg. Needless to say they all eventually legt and i went home without as much a number.
when i have had a few beers im pretty chatty and i don't have a problem talking to chicks, but when im strait sober, Im really shy and it doesn't get me anywhere.
How do I start
Were do i start
What should I try as an ice breaker.
or should I just get drunk for dutch courage.

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Another issue i have is, The majority of girls i get come from me being a nice guy and giving chicks attention/a shoulder to cry on when they are down. This usually leads to a relationship what I dont really want and I end up breaking there heart 3-6 months later and they hate me.
I wanna be able to get girls with out problems, or without using there problems as a tool to get them atleast.

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Never use alcohol as a way to get "courage". All it does is lower your inhibitions. You won't do anything you can't normally do, but you become dull and unresponsive when drunk.

Your problem seems to be over-thinking. You see a girl you like, but you stand around too long just thinking of how to go up to her and what to say, and 3 minutes later you've already psyched yourself out and struck out before you ever got to bat.

My advice, follow the three-second rule. When you see an HB, just go up to her with minimal thinking. Sounds weird, but just do it, and remember not to approach from directly in front or behind her, which freaks people out.

As for ice-breakers, it can literally be anything. The entire point of an opener is for her to look at you for a few more seconds while you make her want to continue giving you her attention.

Another thing for your image, never be "the shoulder to cry on". Present yourself as a sexual object, not a "nice guy" or a "bad boy"

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Ok i will take that on board
Im going out tonight, have you got any other beginner tricks to try?, how do I present myself as a sexual object?

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Oh and what sort of accesories should i take to get the peacocking thing going? I am always well dressed and i like bright coloured shirts and black jeans, How can I mix it up to make myself stand out a bit more without looking like a tool?
Cant wait to go sarging tonight!

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Ok this might help you out alot with the hotties in the club.

When you enter, walk up to the first set / group that you see, no matter if it is 2 males
and 1 female. Approach and introduce yourself to everyone at the table.

If it's all females (and you do like one or all of them) just introduce yourself, small
talk for a few minutes only, then excuse yourself. "Oh, I see some more of my
people over there, have fun ladies."

Approach another set, introduce, chit chat, excuse yourself.. You can use the same
line to excuse yourself if you must.

And then, just go sit down "close to" another set so it "appears" like you are in that
set.

You should get approaches from some of the people from the sets that you "opened"
but then bailed on.

The reason this works is that you excused yourself from their set, and went right
into another set "your friends" and then went to another set "your friends again"..

The first set is watching you approach the 2nd set, and the 2nd set is watching
you approach the 3rd set, etc. etc. etc. building your "SOCIAL PROOF"...

SOCIAL PROOF = showing that you know alot of people and that you know
QUALITY PEOPLE...

I got this strategy from a OG "original guru" out in the field when I first started
sarging. Funny how you meet other guys AND GIRLS out there who actually will
help you.

The girls are great when they watch you open sets, etc. they will come up to you
and make you think that you made an impression on them, when all that they are
there for is to be your PIVOT..

If this happens, USE THEM AS THEY WANT TO BE USED...

Also, if you have a girlfriend, ask her to be your PIVOT at the club...

** Don't feel like explaining what a PIVOT does. Someone wanna add that part...

PS... making-out-in-clubs-isnt-solid-game-vt3 ... highlight=

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overall I wanted to say almost exactly what LEPRECHAUN said, so I won't repeat it but yeah... that's is a perfect way... You will discover that no one there is a big scary monster, and you will be amazed how fun unknown people can be, and when you get rejected, it's OK, coz you talked to hundred people even if 10 will reject you.. SO WhAT?...

enjoy

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Sounds like a lot of the posts here have the solution covered. Almost exactly what I would say.

Approach anxiety affects even the TOP of PUA masters and gurus. Mystery even states all the time that he is "terrified" of the approach. When you go out remember, it's not the girl... It's the process. I'm assuming you're relatively new at this game, so i would suggest not worrying about results, and spend the next few times you sarge, simply do it for the practice. open every set in the room, perfect the neg, and learn how to better socially calibrate each set. and after a few nights of FORCING yourself to open every set in your 70 mile radius, the approach anxiety will diminish. Also if you follow the 3 second rule, your social value goes up, because you are the "life of the party".

I've mentioned him before in my posts, but a friend of mine in the beginning of his research into the PUA community followed challenges (12 newbie challenges by Style??? maybe?) about the approach, that ranged from going up to random people and saying "Hello, my name is manny the martian, what's your favorite flavor of bowling balls??" and got to the point where he would have to call a random number that you know is female, but don't know, and act as if it's a wrong number, but get them to recommend movies to you over the phone.

there are a number of ways to condition yourself and get over this, but the bottom line is you just have to jump into it. also, steer clear of getting drunk. no more than a shot of liquor, either in a drink or shot, or two beers.. w/e. don't get drunk..

and as far as an image.. overtly, nice guy and PUA's don't mix. Thats not to say that PUA's can't be nice/sweet/spontaneous, it just means, you should never give into any behavior that is, or could be viewed as needy. YOU are the prize, YOU are what the girls are working for. if you just give them a shoulder or an outlet to emotionally connect immediately, that is needy afc behavior. There is no chase, and girls will give you the time of day as they use you as an outlet, then as they get bored...Boom! you're out. You can be "nice", but that comes later... On your own terms.

You guys are geniuses,
I took on board what you said and the results were amazing.
I went to a valentines day party with a friend of mine. there were about 20 people i new there, which made the whole situation easier. I went strait in and opened a group and got looks immediately. noticing a 9 give me a look i immediately went and opened her group, giving her a few negs and generally ignoring her. then after about 5 mins I moved on and opened another 2 groups with hot girls in them. and by the night i left I had 3 girls eating out of my palm. A 7 who is a friends sister, a Japanese 7 and The Russian godess who everyone wanted. a definate 9.
didnt get any numbers but I think I did an awesome job

Anyways After i left the party i ended up going to town and getting obliterated. Bad move, so thats were the sarging ended!

Think I might just stop drinking completely,

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Glad to hear that you had success. No F-close, but all in good time bro.

And about the went to town and then got obliterated..

At least you waited till after the party, after your recent successes.

Don't fret about giving yourself a congratulations celebration.. good job..

Keep it up, remember, don't drink at the location you plan on sarging at.

Also, keep in mind, if you want to drink so you don't feel left out, take your
beer, mixed drink into the bathroom with you and pour half of it out and fill the
bottle / glass with water. This should save your ass in more ways than one.

Also, don't gulp / shotgun the drink down your throat, drink it in moderation.

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I really think, I am gona just cut out drinking completely actually.
Whats the Point of it really, costs alot, stops you getting girls, and leaves you feeling like aids the next day.
It used to be a tool, to boost my confidence, but now i see the light.
Sober Smart Fast and Confident from now on!

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The only drink I have when I go out is half of one of those "5-hour energy" bottles they sell at the package stores. I find it zips me up and I am talkative and chatty as hell, more so than my usual self. I don't go to bars much anymore, but when I do I might have one beer and then only order diet cokes. A cool bartender will give them to you for free, esp. if he thinks you're the designated driver of a group of people. People might think it looks like a mixed drink but it's not.

Alcohol is a lousy crutch.

Take all these replies into consideration but remember

"PRACTICE DOESN'T MAKE PERFECT. PERFECT PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT" - Vince Lombardi

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