Last night was a real eye opener, think we should put a write up in here?

go for it

(I'm not negative, but I am my own worst critic, add your comments below)

MISTAKE ONE - Blind dates with PUAs

Waiting at the bus stop for Tony T and I'm nervous as hell. I'm meeting a total stranger to head into town to meet another group of total strangers for the express purpose of picking up women. This is weird on another level. PLUS, Tony told me he'd be wearing a long scarf, cue vision of being met by Tom Baker's Dr.Who. (There was a 5'3" fat freak with acne glasses and monster hair standing in front of me waiting for someone at the station, f**k that was a close call)

Needless to say the PUAs on the night were all down-to-earth nice guys, some of whom were actually cool and none of whom suffered from arrogant-dickhead syndrome. Nice to meet you guys and put my fears to rest.

MISTAKE TWO - Reading the environment

Tiger Tiger first stop, and five mins in I'm already doin superbly with Emma from Southampton. Gentle neg ("mine's a whiskey") and she responds well. After a whiskey vs. rum debate I follow with a canned line ("should I dye my hair blonde") She loves ginger guys! Oh f**k can it get any better than this?

She DHVs me ("I used to date Iwan Thomas - [olympic runner]") I gently neg back ("my sister dated johnny wilkinson, it was dinner one time but she still tells people that") She responds well.

Her friends try to interrupt I still keep her interest BUT minus a wing I think it best to introduce myself, get her name and say I'll catch you later and go open another set. BIG MISTAKE!

A heaving meat market like Tiger Tiger is just too busy and crowded to abandon any promising set. I never saw her again and might have missed an easy number close with a sweet HB 7.5 Brunette.

MISTAKE THREE - being a wing ding

A frankly amateurish attempt at winging by me and pretty much everybody else. Someone start another thread posting some rules and tips for the London guys. If we coordinate our efforts we'll complement each other, as it stands we are making some confused moves, for example...

TonyT opened with this cute polish HB7.5, Masta jumped in and at the very end of the night when the guys are on the street and I'm off to pick up my coat from near where she was sitting and I number close her. No one got upset, but smoother moves could let one guy do better and will prevent any ego bruising in future.

(P.S - am coining the phrase wing ding from now on)

MISTAKE FOUR - Wing Ding mark 2

For variety I ask this girl if her decent HB6-6.5 friend (6'4" in flats) wanted to dance. Her friend was quite receptive but I blew it by trying to get my wing (TonyT) in on the act straight away. Needless to say, if you are opening, concentrate on opening and let your wing jump in to disarm the obstacle.

(Weirdly, whilst disarming the obstacle on a french two-set the obstacle bounces off me and heads straight for DiamondD. I think he ended up getting her home, though Tony decided to leave her friend at the bus stop wanting more (smooth). P.S - DiamondD is a f**ing stealth bomber in a club environment. When he wants to dissapear he just goes...lol! Nice to meet you mate)

MISTAKE FIVE - If you wanna be a player - PLAY!

Two parts to this. A) walking round the club avoiding opening because of AA is lame. I suffered bad bouts of this and really need to work on it.

B) When trying to get two sisters home you had better be ready to make your move and make it strong. I had one girl nicely worked up and after coming back from leaving her to build tension I found some loser trying to chat her up. For laughs I grab the sister (better looking in my opinion) and start slow dancing. To my surprise she is a bit of a nympho and quite enjoys my attention.

So when the sister cuts in, feeling a bit jealous I decide to push the limits. Whilst Sister 1 is grinding into me facing the other way, I kino Sister 2 and have my arm around her dancing with both. 2 was getting stoked up and I should've gone into the kiss and worked them both until we left.

As it was I was too worried about upsetting anyone, and pulled back. Letting Sister 2 get bored and eventually be pulled by Loser from NY (wearing a f**king tracksuit in a club - bloody hell where were we? Croydon?)

Anyway, it could've been done, but to pull that sort of move you need to have some serious game and I am just a humble amateur. Next time perhaps...

In summary Tiger Tiger was ok, as was O'Neills. But both are meat markets with thumping sound systems where caveman tactics are king. We need new venues, better teamwork and lots and lots of practice.

How did everyone else get on?

Irish

thanks for posting, these report posts make so much more sense when I can relate to them.

I had the same feeling as you at the beginning of the night, I didn't really know what I was expecting, but the guys that turned up were nice, down to earth guys like you said, and above all, you were all genuinely trying to help, which made me feel a lot better

Looks like you got on a lot more than I did there Irish, I'm a complete newbie so I can't give you advice on anything at the moment, but once i get a little better I'll try to help.

Here's what I thought of the night:

It was my first night, so my aim was low, in fact, I had no aims, which was probably a mistake. But I tried my hardest to follow the 3 sec rule, and although my AA is still pretty big, I felt it got slightly better as the night went on. Although I'm pretty sure I'm the least far along in all the guys who turned up, I'm gonna take David D's advice and only compare with myself for now

Approaches wise, not much happened, I did a few (6-7?), but they didnt last more than 1 minute each, after I did my canned openers, my brain went blank, so I kinda just left.

After I got home:

I had a very nice sleep, and the next day, I started reading juggler's book, which I found I much much prefered over David D and mystery's stuff. Juggler seems to have a much more honest approach, and I can actually see myself using his rules to carry on a conversation, whereas mystery just goes "now you build comfort", what the **** does that mean?

So I went to buy a note book, and started writing a cheat sheet, I'm on page 3 SPAM, I think next time we go out, I will hammer those lines and see which ones work and which ones don't, then maybe try to get my conversation to reach 2 or even 5 minutes.



more reports please

Hmmm. Its difficult to suddenly try new approaches and styles and bodylanguage that Im not used to - so the evening, like last week, was to make muscle memory automatic. So Im working on my weaknesses and learning, and trying new things, rather than going for closes. I find this fun, and Friday night I found it empowering. Ill explain in due course.
7 of us met up in LSq – introduced ourselves (no real peacockers – all regular guys), and made our way to Tiger Tigers. Very quickly I could see holes in peoples game, experiences and knowledge. This very useful to help out wings – be an observer for wings – as well as having observing ego for yourself. I have many holes, and am always greatful for feedback – I remember my mate had to tell me once (I was much younger), when I was talking to a HB I would keep unconciously rub a nipple. Some girls find that odd.
Tiger Tiger was packed and loud – my style is calming and non shouting – this was not going to bring out my best qualities when I would perform at my peak. I needed to learn and adapt. And I did. I was more visual (hands in physical interaction) (as there was SO much distraction around me). And had to raise my voice – Im not used to shouting. I like to push myself – so my having the mind set of having an evening of ‘learning’ took the stress of having to close.
My first open was a Polish 7.5 I gave her my camera (great prop) to take a picture of me and the guys, and gave a brief neg. I didn’t talk to her-to make sure she didn’t think we were coming on to her, and simply got the camera back. Then we all ignored her. Masta rolled in and kept her entertained and smiling. He left, I went in and carried on. My mindset was simply to entertain and make her smile – job done.
DrShoe zoomed around opening sets all over the place. It didn’t matter that it was for just 1 minute each – it mattered that this is one of his weaknesses, he did it, and he grew.
I returned back to the group and looked over my shoulder a Brazilian 7.5 was constantly looking at me. I turned away, looked back, there she was again, this time with a smile that made my knees weaken. Masta went in fearlessly and put his white cowboy hat on her head. She loved it – and responded well. He went off to the bar and I walked over and kept her and her 2 mates entertained for 10 minutes. They didn’t stop smiling and were seeking my approval. I went in between Brazilians two other mates, so not to look like I was hitting on her – keeping the space open for Masta. He came back, and phone number closed.
Matt was observing a great deal on the terrain – it didn’t look like he was comfortable – so we venue changed.
At this point the group split in too – Me Irish and D went to Oneils.
They went to the bar a quickly opened a 2set - 6’s. I stepped back and observed – to see if I could help out with which of the girls wanted who – and anything that could help them with their game.
After a few minutes, this actress looking 7 walked by, looked over her shoulder at me and smiled. I smirked and tilted my head, and held out my hand. She walked over, put her hand in mine – I pulled her in close. At that point, I think she would have been happy to kiss, as I had to turn my head from her lips to talk in her ear. ‘Are you easily offended?’ I asked.
‘No’
‘Good. I was reading this book today “Sperm Wars”’
‘Oh, yeah’, she’s interested.
‘If we had sex and I released my 100 million sperm inside you, did you know that only 1% of them are seeking out your egg?...the other 99% fight off other sperm from other possible inseminators”. I squeezed her hand when I said the words ‘when I release inside you’. Her chest grew as she as she took in a deep breath. She squeezed my hand – I looked at her, she had her eyes closed. I went into detail and we talked about evolution and attraction. When she spoke her lips were touching mine.
I never went for the kiss, I found this far more satisfying than getting one. I told her Im getting back to my mates and that Ill look her later. I didn’t.
Irish and D continued opening sets and planting seeds.
We went upstairs where it was more noisy and busy than Tiger Tiger. There was a live band. Im not used to just doing kino, Irish just dived in fearlessly, girl after girl dancing and grinding. Most were sticking.
I looked at this princess 7.5 – immaculate face – so sweet – size 6/8. But she had dreads – I could see past the skanky hair though. She was ultra pretty – tiny features.
I pulled her to me, and she responded by putting her arms around me and dancing. I lock her in and she does a solo dance winding and grinding, rubbing her ass against my crotch. I spin her around, pick her up – she wraps her legs around my waist, and I dip her down. She bends back and almost touches the floor. She came back wrapped her arms around me and moved in for the kiss – I didn’t respond again – just having her lips stroke mine was enough. I planted a seed, and joined Irish with a new challenge.
He’d met two French girls. One of them was holding her hair up. So I gently grabbed it and kept it up for her. She turned round, I ruffled her hair so it looked silly. She laughed. I turned away. I felt her hands around my waist, and she started dancing. I looked at her then looked at her lollipop – she took it out her mouth and put it in mine.
We did some close dancing - I pulled her in and gently pulled her hair so her head tilted back, she closed her eyes, opened her mouth slightly and breathed deep. When I stopped, she looked me straight in the eye. Brought her lips to mine, and expected me to kiss her. I didn’t. She buried her head in my chest and just rubbed my body for 10 minutes.
The girls went off to the toilets, at the same time Irish came strolling by, entertaining 2 Americans sisters 6&6.5 (?). I couldn’t wing him as I couldn’t leave my post. This is a place, Ive learn, if you leave someone – you probably not going to find them again. He seemed to cope with the 2 anyway. I did feel I wasn’t doing my job.
The French girls came back – D was getting attention from the other.
We went out side, and they smoked – I told mine that she stinks. She put it out.
We waited for Irish to come out and all 5 of us walked the girls back to their bus stop.
Mine said that she was going to go back and have some pasta. I said that you cant have pasta at this time of the night – itll just sit there and eventually will turn to fat – unless you have 5 hours of sex straight after.
She spoke to her mate in French, I understood certain words, like ‘5 hours…’, and giggling.
They then asked me and D to come back with them – D said yes. I said no.
It seemed that evening I got more out of not giving girls what they want – than actually giving it. Maybe it is a power thing.
It was certainly addictive.

The French is coming over Tuesday morning-straight from work-after her night shift to bring me breakfast.

Wing Man Tips:
Saturday me and Irish went to Salsa in Vauxhall for a girls birthday who I dance with.
My job as wing was to introduce him to every girl I know there (around 20 of them) and to mention a commonality so they have something to talk about straight away. I introduced him to an HB8 – I already knew she did rock climbing, so when I introduced them, I grabbed his hand and put it on her forearm straight away and told Irish that he should fell her forearms as she does rock climbing too. I then left them straight away. They then compared muscles for the next 5 minutes. Plenty of instant kino.
He was actually more interested in her mate – although she asked me for my phone number (twice). My job as wing also is to communicate with my man to make sure she hasn’t asked him for his number and that it was ok to get it from her. As he expressed interest first and she ‘appeared’ to show sexual interest in him.
I told Irish that she asked me for my number – he was obviously ok with that, he’s a cool guy – so, I finally give her my number.
I texted her today (2 days later) “This is the website you asked for www……… It was good to meet you.”
That’s it.
She texted back 5 minutes later asking me out for a preChristmas drink.
Always think of your wing(s) as much as you think for yourself.
Expect this from your wing too. My Kingston wing will ALWAYS tell me when Ive walked past girls, and which ones follow me with their eyes. He has to do this, as I walk through crowds of girls NOT LOOKING at any of them, as if Im not interested in any of them– the opposite of what every guy is doing down there.
He also tells me things that I miss. Or whether Im leaning (never lean in) or whether Im facing them or too enthusiastic etc..He’s there to tweak my body language mostly, and things I may not have seen.

Hi guys (it’s Diamond D, this what Irish has named me)

Just wanted to say what a strange night and first understand my mind set

I getting the train to meet a random group of men (PUAs) in the middle London what am I thinking but "nothing ventured nothing gained"

So I’m the last one there I’m used to this, we say are introductions and we set off, straight away I can see that some of the group are more confident than others but that is no refection of the there gaming ability.

We get to the tiger tiger first and while were talking about tactics (some form of martial arts kino) I see a Mexican HB7 smoking out side I open her, neg her trying to follow the format, FTC and so on it seemed to be going good then I look round all the guys are gone so the FTC turning into a Real TC and I told her I’ll see her in the club (I hind sight maybe I should have found where in the club she would be!) I didn’t see her again!

In the club I disappear as usual and find my self down stairs, in order to try and retain some social proof I begin talking to a random guy who decides he is going to teach me about the game. After 5 minutes of his rules, off he goes to show me how its done he moves in on a 2 set and takes one off to dance, I move in on the friend both are HB 6.5 after about 5 - 10 minutes he comes back I hand his girl my camera to take a picture of me and her friend we take about 4 snaps this way, I tell HB 1 she should never take pictures, this goes down well playful punch kino hug (I’m still surprised when these insults work) then HB 2 decides she wants in on the conversation now I have both girls (I thought random guy was going to teach me about the game, lol) I take this opportunity to had my camera to a HB 7.5 who has been watching (I intend to come back for her, again this doesn’t happen) more photos HB 2 e-mail closes me as work in the same industry (whatever).

I decide to find the guys, now I’m upstairs watching and being impressed by a number of the PUA's in sets, I attempt to open a few sets, a minute here two minutes there (this is much harder with foreign girls) a 3 set I had opened on the train invite me to met there friends there happens to be a HB 7 in the group we talk for ten minutes, I isolate, then push to hard for the number close (this is one of my sticking points, but I’m improving)

Once again I’m left behind, but I eventually meet up with Tony and Irish at O'Neils (these guys seem to me to be the strongest PUA's in the group) we open a few sets here but this is ever harder as the music is louder and the pool of talent is smaller. I neg a little to hard on one set and fail an easy shit test on another, I start to have a bit of AA so I decide the take a break.

While chilling like a classic AFC a French girl who has been talking with Irish creates a proximity alert, I’m very reluctant to take the invitation but seems that Irish isn’t that bothered with her (TonyT's right Irish is a cool guy) we talk, she offers me her number I say "no at first I don’t even know you" this creates some nice kino, head in my chest that sort of thing, we kiss I let her number close me 10 minutes on she leaves for the bath room with her friend I decide not to wait for her to come back (something to do with maintaining social proof)

Now I’m outside smoking , a 5 set of Irish women stand near me I decide to open the set it flies opens with all the women offering comments like "I like you D" "your cool D" then they start taking pictures of me in the middle of the group I think I’m the man and after a few more comments I try to number close the HB 7.5 it fails but by a stroke of luck Tony has just come outside with mine and his girl, we spend sometime outside where I struggle with kino escalation but she into because of my looks too so it doesn’t matter we decide to leave, Irish is with us, at this point I discover he speaks fluent French (correct I said French, I was impressed) we get an invite back to there’s and after the tenth time of asking I finally agree, Tony declines I think this was the better move

I end up back at there’s we talk for a while the two HB's and me, TonyT’s girl falls asleep, me and my girl make out for a bit, then she start to break down her own LMR! (to be honest I’m to tried to care) I take the first opportunity to tell her "not tonight I’m not that easy" and manage to fall asleep by ignoring her.

Just like to add we could do so much better with a little co-ordination and practice it we fun thanks guys I look forward to the next one

P.s. I love this shit!

whens the next time you guys are out in london???

Im in camden & id love to get in on this...

Cheers guys

Rich

I live in Vauxhall and would be well up for coming out on something like this, polish my wingman skills

Cheers

Adam