I stopped reading Fin's post. It was effin with my reality. Didn't read yours all either just because I don't want to have to finish all the other to be balanced, but I respect you both as posters so thanks for balancing it out.

Motivation and Experience solidified in a happy marriage.

I still maintain my opinion that 90% of all posts are useless.

Still, I think that you are right in some cases. I can imagine those guys who get enthusiastic by reading about people with inner game who actually make it work. Then again I can imagine the ones who get intimidated by it and think that "Hey I can never be like that, no use in trying.".

However, posts like "I am the greatest, just be great and have all the girls you want, just be a man, a real man, dude." still suck.

I like this thread.

By the way, PUADave, I like you too. Just thought I'd randomly add that.

I'm inclined to agree with Hobbit's broad view.

To be honest, if an average person took a decent course in self-confidence and sorted it out, he may well be able to pickup women way better than if he had spent a comparable degree of time and effort learning pickup.

The reason why it appears to me that people may not get turned on by 'inner game posts' is because people want to see magic bullets, quick fixes, fancy lines, not some philosophical lecture. That's just our inherent nature.

In any case, I would say inner game is not something you can get from a post. You can only be reminded of your need to get it, and perhaps pointed in the right direction.

At the end of the day, people should stop talking about fucking limbic brain and quantum shit and get their asses in field, or start sorting out their self-confidence. Those posts make me sick.

Arguably most inner game posts are just that; an attempt to give a quick fix to what is long term skill. That's in our nature, to want our inner game to come from a forum rather than the feild.

Again, a great thought that I agree with. All of the Inner Game posts or even the FR or LR just tells you the possibilities. "And if He can Do it So can I" is what I used to take away from reading posts in my early days.

I agree with this.. *any* good post that I read about inner, outer, whatever game is purely motivational. Also it gives you tools that are stored in the back of your mind for when you're out socializing. Everyday it seems like I'm chatting with a girl and I notice things or do things that I wouldn't have otherwise done or known about before hand.

About the ab workouts, i know it's just an example... and i've heard what you said many times. But, look at bodybuilders and even IBFF pro-bodybuilders and how freakin thick their ab muscles are. Their 6 or 8 pack is bulging an entire inch out from the rest of their skin. How come a scrawny 120 lb guy that doesn't work out, has a very flat stomach (and low BF%) but you can't hardly see his abs?
I'm thinking that doing crunches actually does increase the size of your ab muscles.. and of course the lower the BF%, the more visible they are.
Furthermore, I didn't do crunches or abworkouts (just squat, deads, other things that aid your core / abs) for about 8 months. Then a month ago I started doing 100 weighted crunches every other day... and now I have a solid 4 pack with a bit of fat over the bottom two squares..

Inner game has nothing to do with motivation. Inner game is about realizing you're the fucking man; you exude confidence and value without trying or even wanting to because that's who you are. You become an alpha male as a byproduct and you take it for granted. You're completely congruent because you are simply being yourself, never trying, and never apologetic.

If you don't understand that then you are faking confidence and you probably think shit like static social value exists. Subtle things you say and do are going to give it away. You're not being true to yourself so there's no way you can be completely congruent, and people will catch on. You'll inevitably come off as try hard and when you hit any bumps that you weren't expecting you'll be awkward. You try to match the energy level and not dictate it and you feel like your best days/nights are when you are "in state".

That just doesn't happen when you have inner game. You're never trying and your only "plan" is to find some attractive, interesting girls and talk to them about whatever comes into your mind. You are more likely to bring them to your energy level than come to theirs, and you naturally control the frame. And when everything goes wrong, you don't feel awkward or apologetic at all. You're heart isn't racing, your palms aren't sweating, your mind isn't racing, you aren't fidgeting, and you don't have a stupid try-hard half smile on your face. You are just standing there looking aloof, probably with a neutral or amused expression on your face, looking some girl(s) in the eyes, feeling completely at ease, and thinking about whatever you feel like thinking about. Showing confidence is the last thing on your mind, and yet it's leaking out of you so hard that everyone around you can help but pick up on it. Even when your pick up completely fails, your high value will barely fluctuate and you can go talk to other people and come back later.

"bottom two squares" lol

exactly! this has been my point for a while