Hello Gentleman. I know some of you will object to this because of moral issues. So before I continue with this I'd like to clarify that I am merely a good guy who has taken into consideration that he is not going to live forever (Surely as the tides themselves, I am not the only one).
I'd like to make inquiries and to discuss matters regarding the boyfriend obstacle id est a variety of tactics. This is all purely to crush this obstacle with a Iron fist with in a silk glove with out having to go to the extremes.

So you meet this girl young, beautiful, well developed within both domains mentally and physically. So you're compelled by your manhood to endeavour having her body at the tip of your tongue, fingers and ultimately to enter her. But then you are introduced or informed about the complication aka: The Boyfriend - Mr Tall Dark and Hansom. As a PUA you feel obliged to taking up this challenge what do you do?

Mr.Fox

Unless her boyfriend's a tool and doesn't deserve her, BACK OFF. Seriously, why do guys have such shitty morals these days? After all, if you've spent enough time on this forum you'd know that there's plenty of other fish in the sea. Trying to take a girl who's already taken is bullshit needy behavior anyways.

ignore the boyfriend and game her as per usual.
if u game her right, the boyfriend wont be a problem. (field tested)

I won't disagree with you on that one. But there's something called morals. Guys who feel that their desire to stick their dick in a few holes justifies ruining a relationship between two people have none. And Mr. Fox, a girl who chooses to leave her man for someone she finds marginally more attractive is basically a trashy whore. She probably will not hesitate to do the same to you even if you're successful at stealing her. Think about it.

The Boyfriend moral dilemma is one that can only be deciphered on a situation by situation basis..

There ARE situations where I feel it is at least morally acceptable to game a not single HB.

The difficulty, is what are these situations? How can I be sure that this is the right thing to do...?

The Bottom line is, you do what is in the best interest of the HB.. The basic tenants of PUA dictate that you must leave the girl better than when you found her. right? that being said, ask yourself:
1.) Is the HB's boyfriend a douchebag that doesn't deserve her? Not just "I'm Better" syndrome, but is the HB Happy? If she is, than BACK OFF

2.) How would your gaming of her benefit her? Are you releasing her from the living hell that is her relationship? does she already have a thing for you? if not than BACK OFF!

3.) other than a "great night" of sex, how would you... Having sex with her, and ruining the couples relationship help ALL parties involved? If you can't answer this question, BACK OFF!

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It was a daring, and quite frankly stupid move, but at one point, I found myself gaming a girl who was not single. She was gorgeous, and in a terrible joke of an abusive, long term relationship.. the guy, after the initial hook up, was not very happy with my name. So depending on the situation, there can be physical danger as well..

I feel as is i had both liberated and helped her as a person. As a result i can literally justify my actions as a PUA.


If your "situation" is not as thought provoking or as serious, than BACK OFF!

If you've weighed your options, and feel that is acceptable.. Than Look up Boyfriend Destroyers.. Very effective.

If she were at all into you, she would never have brought up her boyfriend. Just cut your losses and go.

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If my post made me appear homosexual, I want you all to know that prior to sitting down at my computer I slammed 15 shots of whiskey, went balls-deep into my woman, and recited Clint Eastwood lines for 20 minutes.

I did forget to articulate that the man is a complete an unmitigated tool and at the time I wrote this I was no better, hence the slight violation of my moral beliefs too. mrcoffee9999888 thank you out of all the comments your advice Is up to my substance.

To speak with complete honesty sir, I have caught the "One-Itis" disease from this girl. I admit I have a soft spot for damsels in distress, but it's not purely because of that there are other reasons. Over the past months as I've gotten to know her I did start developing things for her. After every meeting with her I feel that my naivete is one step closer to prevailing over my intellect. Sounds a bit stupid, but maybe "that's amore"? We both share the same outlook on life, tastes, same interests and passionate in what we do. We're both born on the 22nd of February and the same year and we're both damn good looking. It's absolutely ludicrous how alike we are except for the blatant details of course.

I know she isn't happy and I know she is trapped. For she has articulated her dilemma while I wiped away her tears after holding her in my arms. After that experience she went through she has shown me physical evidence of an abusive nature. Thus compelling me to endeavour helping her reclaim her dignity as a human and as a women. Alas she is still in love with him regardless of the ordeals she faces... Sounds stupid does it not? Maybe "that's amore"? If I was no better than The Boyfriend, he would be more in danger than he is to his girlfriend. So I've come to the conclusion of either Prince Charming or I, shall learn how to destroy this obstacle.

I'll be seeing her on our 19th B-day on the 22nd of February when I arrive after a stay at Tuscany with friends. I would truly appreciate the helpful tactics and methods you ever so charming PUA have to offer.

Your Fellow PUA (In learning) Compatriot
Mr.Fox

you just passed the test.

the girl who i am now dating was in a relationship with a guy who was a cheat and a liar (she didnt know this at the time). frankly i had to be fairly manipulative to get this information passed onto her. i had conversations with friends of ours about what her bf was doing, how it was a terrible thing to do and how i couldnt stand to watch this girl be used but i wasnt going to tell her out of respect for the guy.(this is all true btw. i had oneitis. bad.) needless to say rumours started (there were already plenty of rumours out there) eventually word got back to her and she started to doubt this guy. at that time i began taking her out showing her a good time and using early lmr and trust building techniques (or stories rather). eventually she broke up with him and we are now together. hes out of the country SPAM but i got ALOT of hatemail from him, and am awaiting a physical confrontation upon his return. im probably gunna get my ass beat but it was worth it
depending on your situation this may not work. but its something to think about.
i destroyed the boyfriend without even talking to her about him. good luck

In terms of the moral issue, I think Nick Quick aka Adonis put it best:
Eat that, collegevirgin

The best BF destroyer I've found and used successfully is the Straw Man Technique: http://charmingrogue.com/straw-man-tech ... -unveiled/

Much Obliged Chief. The SMT seems to make a lot of sense in comparison to the other stuff I've checked up on.




Mr.Fox

im with a girl now who says supposedly she has a bf. that doesnt stop us from slobbering all over eachother and cuddling and fingering and sex. i thought it was a "shit test" but i do think she has a bf since she said she has a "visitor" tommorow. i still like her. i aint put no gun to her head or anything. she is type slutty though

The SMT is a quality method, but it's important to not come across as being sarcastic, which can happen if it's done in a way that doesn't seem sincere.

~Deebo

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The names Fox. Mr. Fox.

Omg I hate couples that are "try-hard" How can I explain it... In my country couples that are 18-19 are rediculously loyal to each other as if they are going to get married... And they wanna make everyone else envious of their "sacred" relationship.

The retarded guy managed to get a hot girlfriend by mere luck, and now he won't let go of her no matter what, for who knows how long... simply because he cannot get a new girlfriend like her if he looses her. In my school I've seen couples that date from 15-16 years old, now they are 18-19 and date as if they are getting married, their "serious"...

My game is weak right now, but when I get good, picking up such girls will be my top priority, to feed my own sick pleasure of breaking them up. I like the challenge...

I mean it's like for their own good...

to OP - please man, do it. Pick up that chick, do it for me!

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Morals are not the issue here. This is an issue of consequences. If an HB has a boyfriend and you want to game her, ask yourself if you can live with the consequences of that action. If there are no consequences, then why the hell not? How likely is it that you're going to see this boyfriend? Is he going to fly into a jealous rage every time he sees you and try to beat the shit out of you? Or does he just melt away into the fabric of society never to be heard from again? Only you can answer that.

Just think of it this way - if said HB dumps the BF for you, she was probably going to dump him anyway so it may as well be for you.