Since I've found this World of Game its like I've become and addict and have done nothing but read through Threads and videos (thank Jebus for the internet lol)I fucking love it ! I thought I had Game...but little did I know. I'm thinking of joining PUA Camp once i get back to NYC so I can get this wealth of knowledge even faster. I can see why people might want to drop out of college to do this. I want to do this for me and because in essence, being a PUA is enjoying life and being fearless. How long is the transition would you guys say is the transition from an AFC to a seasoned PUA ? I know it relative,of course. But does anybody have an kind of personal experiences from taking it into a AFC and deciding you were gonna take what you wanted and become a PUA ?

another concern of mine is Drugs. a strong belief that I see is the belief that drinking is bad for your game ? I thought the opposite and thought that it can also make you enjoy it more ? what about reefer ? I have'nt been gaming on it but would love some opinions.

Thanks for the time !

Forget it being bad for your game. It's bad for your health.

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Being drunk loosens you up, but it also makes your mind dull and nonreactive. These two things are crucial.

If people give you a hard time about not drinking just carry around a bud light and take a swig every once in awhile.

Marijuana is worse. Generally speaking it makes people happy with being bored, so in essence, it makes you boring. This is worse than being dull and nonreactive.

Also if you get really high you sound like a total moron. This is coming from a guy who knows a lot of people who get fried all the time.

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If my post made me appear homosexual, I want you all to know that prior to sitting down at my computer I slammed 15 shots of whiskey, went balls-deep into my woman, and recited Clint Eastwood lines for 20 minutes.

Your spot on man, couldn't agree more. Natural game comes from being yourself, and that's how you'll develop.

To answer your question, It took me about 2 years to really understand the fragile workings of the game, it's components, and most importantly the inner game, which is most important. At the start, I was exclusively interested in the negs, the gambits, and the routines, which I still am, but now i realize that if my frame/inner game is strong enough, it doesn't matter what I say. It took about 2 years of practice, study, approaches, and field work, And I can confidently say that I am the best PUA in my social circle, (which is a fraternity, where everyone just hunts to get laid)...

Just like anything, Though I am on the top here, i still learn new things, and get AMOGed, and rejected occasionally, which I've trained myself how to deal with both.. I wouldn't say that I'm a master, but In theory i've got a lot of it down... about two years.

To the other, when I game, I don't drink, but I can understand at most, taking like one shot, or one drink. to loosen you up.. The second any of your abilities are impaired.. You're out. you are significantly less effective.

as far as green... NOT when you're gaming... even if you spray a whole can of axe on yourself, girls can still smell the pot. And not all but almost all of girls will completely freeze you out. it's very unattractive, and makes your game even worse than with booze. you won't be able to properly neg or DHV.. and you'll be awkward and boring. so you're out.


The point is to always be at your best. if any substance, drink, item of clothing, friend, smell, or hairstyle gets in the way of that, CUT IT OUT!

Alcohol takes the breakes away, too much of the alcohol and you're gonna be slamming into people.

A few beers can be a relief if you're stressed and stuff, like a long day at work.
But try to learn this stuff without alcohol, you'll improve much faster and won't be using alcohol as a crutch.

I've never drank or done any type of illegal drug in my life. It's just not for me, I have had friends OD, or just make a complete ass of them self from a couple of pints.
I don't judge but I just don't like being around drugs or drug users.

I would like to take a moment to thank everyone in this thread for not talking about actual possession or personally abusing substances. Thank you for adhering to rule 3, and this thread will not be locked so long as you all continue to do so.

I think Top-ster put it best about the weed.

I'm glad to find someone on the same boat as me when it comes to stuff like this...

Everybody's brain is tweaked differently.. drugs/alcohol can either be your best friend or your worst enemy...

When its comes to drinking:
Drinking too much is bad. When your drunker than the target it comes off as unattractive.. but at the same time it gives you confidence. so what you have to do is channel that drunken energy into something that can benefit your game. In my case its laughter. I try making myself laugh and girls laugh too when i strike up a convo.. However, there are other qualities that come out when i'm wasted that can work against my game.
When i'm drunk, i'm hornier, i think more, and i am wrestless. I sort of learned to restrain these three qualites.. The MORE you drink the harder it will become to do this.. In addition to this, you never want to be drinking too much because it might have an effect on your sexual performance. Most guys don't have a problem getting it up. The common prblem is the extreme opposite. You will have a tough time ejaculating. This isn't much of a problem for her as it is for you. Getting sick of sex after 30-45 minutes before you reach your real climax sucks...

When it comes to blazing:
Mary jane gives me paranoia.. I feel like the whole world is looking at me and i become really hesitant to approach. So when i am at a club or at a bar, trying to open a set, being high will work against me. HOWEVER, going on dates or speaking to girls that you already know, being high can help you out alot. I am soo much more chilled out and get really deep into conversations.

So.. for sarging in clubs, drink a little, before opening sets, but not too much. It actually gets funner to see how they react to you as they start getting drunker than you. I think beer is the best because it doens't really all hit you at once (unlike mixed drinks). When going on dates, or meeting a group of ladies you already know, getting high may help you out.

But in the end you really don't need drugs/alcohol. The best drug that can help your game is "happiness." If you wear a smile on your face and enjoy the company of beautiful ladies without expecting/wanting anything in return,, nothing can ruin your night. and most of the time, after speaking to enough douchebags, they're the ones that'll come to you..

In my experience, reefer can mess with your confidence level and cause you to doubt yourself, which is clearly bad for PU. Smoking weed is also bad for sperm and just overall turns you into a bum who thinks your life is going well when in reality your just a pussy.

Drinking is the complete opposite. I can game chicks no matter how much I've had to drink and my game usually gets tighter because I have more and more fun.

I would cut the weed out and not drink too much so you can focus on your frame.

-Cas

ganja does almost the exact same to me. I HATE doing it right before the Club. I think the type of weed has alot to do with it.
I couldn't agree with you more. Though I dont do it for any reason in particular, its was strictly fun for me and don't see many negatives in doing it

Drugs can be good for your game if you know how to control it and have no family history of alcoholism and don't have an addictive personality.

I've been hitting the club circuit for well over a decade all over the United States, Mexico and Canada and as an electronic dance music DJ, I've done my fair share of party drugs (coke, ex, GHB, benzos, etc...)

They worked great for a while but I became more dependent on them after a while and it drove me down a deep dark hole that you wouldn't want to be in. Now that I game sober, I've never been happier and more successful, but I did have alot of great times surrounded by HB's when in my heavy partying!

Bottom line:

There's a fine line between a little buzz helping your game and too much of one hindering your game. If you experience yourself getting into the latter zone time and time again when you said you weren't gonna get there again, it's time to stop.

Ya when I read the title of the thread "drugs!" ... I went ballistic and was gonna come in here with the intent of smashing the poster ... but he meant that "The Game" was addictive like a drug ... and I was like "ooohh boy, You are so on the money!"

Anyways (after taking calm breaths) I just like to say ... yes ... getting from AFC to a reasonably good level of PUA is very relative ... everyone is different ... some are even born "Naturals"

Personally I wasn't ... I was as shy an Asian as they come ... I was like Rajesh from the tv show "The Big Bang Theory" ... could never talk to a woman ... I had major AA ... and needed Alcohol to be able to even say hi to a woman in the face...

You just need to realize when to take the bull by its horns (I did when all my friends had girlfriends and I didnt) and learn all there is to know on seduction. Now Ive been a PUA somewhat for almost two years and I dont even consider myself "seasoned."

Now about drugs ... ya I did em ... and I learned when to stop ... again people react differently with drugs ... everyones different ... but my rule is never take drugs while your picking up ... it ruins your game totally because your not in a frame of mind to deal with women ... the only thing I do now is drink because I know alcohol makes me loosen up and no I dont use it as a crutch (I did before)

Its better to learn the Art of Seduction without any alcohol and drugs ... you learn a thing about yourself, gain experience through practice, and how you react to your environment.

Cheers ... and good luck!

Good Luck

I dont do drugs, just weed.
Have been surrounded around people poppin pills doing allthat nonsense.
Ill stick to my Paper Planes.
I'm glad your out of that hole Paul.

Almost everyone has admitted to doing illegal shit after that post I made, so I have to lock the thread now. You guys are idiots.