Hey not sure if you all have seen this but you can rank your face here:

http://www.anaface.com

You upload your picture and place the dots. It tells you where you rank on a scale of 1 to 10.

Good post.

Actually useful for guys in terms of mindset about female beauty , and improving their looks. Both of which are overlooked areas of progress.

JS

attractive faces are built with symmetry

"To get a woman like Megan Fox, you need to be attractive (both physically and also in you value as a person). If you are less than near perfect in both these area's, the harsh truth is you will not be dating women who themselves are near perfect."

Interesting post, but I would have to disagree with this comment. I don't think you have to be near perfect in the looks department to get a women who is. As probably all of us know on here, attraction works different for women that it does for men. There are plenty of ugly dudes out there who score beautiful women (look at Neil). It might not be fair, but that's just the way it is.

Grooming and style of course are important, but this is more because of what it says about your personality and value. Even with that, an ass-ugly guy is still gonna be ugly after his grooming.

The other thing, and I think this was already mentioned, but body definitely needs to come into play for overall physical attractiveness. Take the third face, the average one, but give her an awesome rack and ass, tight stomach, she would probably be pretty hot.

In some cases, no. But generally I feel you do. Sure, a average looking guy could get a above average looking woman - but he has to have something she wants (personality, social proof, money etc).

The thing is, when we really are talking about near perfection (the 10's) then you have to start being able to offer more.

Its all about the options those people have available to them and what they value. Generally, the only way you will consistently pick up 10's is if you are above average looking and have a great personality/life to share with her.

Notice I said consistently, as with all things there will be the odd one or two the don't fit in with the average.

thanks for the post!
I was thinking about what makes a face pretty or not a few days ago
ciao!

Out of curiosity I decided to try this with my facebook default... and my results were:

"You are a 9.06 out of 10. Here's why:

- Your face has great horizontal symmetry
- Your nose is too long for your ears
- Compared to your eye width, your innerocular distance is nearly ideal
- The ratio of your face width to nose width is nearly ideal
- Your face is too wide/too short
- The ratio of your mouth width to nose width is nearly ideal"

I don't know how accurate the analysis is but it's interesting nonetheless. Did anyone else give it a try?

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"he has to have something she wants (personality, social proof, money etc)."

Well you just said it for me. He does have to have something she wants, personality and social proof. If a guy is unattractive physically, but has a great personality and large amounts of social value, he can still CONSISTENTLY get 10s. Looks help a small amount, but they can easily be made up for with personality, social value, and style

Yes, but you still cannot be "unacceptable" in any area. What people feel is unacceptable is very individual and is based completely on what THEY feel they can get.

Think of it like buying a house.

House 1: 2 bedroom, small garden
House 2: 4 bedroom, big garden

Both houses are in the same area, both are warm and provide shelter and have enough room for you.
The only difference is their price. Now, assuming you feel you can easily get the 2nd house in most cases thats the one people will choose. (unless there is some amazing reason why they want the 1st house).

Make sense?

this is why it's important to stay in shapem because a fat face really fucks up your looks. i look 10x better when i lose a stone.

Right, he has to have something she wants, but looks (as in the person's face) is not one of those.

If he overall is alpha, and provides her with greater social value, he will not need to have looks.

The problem with comparing attraction to a house is that attraction is not a logical decision. You could logically explain that many traits of a person will harm the woman, and yet she can still feel attraction towards the man.

Think back to high school. There was the big dumb, ugly jock who scored all the hot girls. This guy had nothing going on in the looks department, but he was an alpha dude (stood up for himself and didn't take her shit) and he provided her with social value (he was one of the popular kids). It didn't really matter what he looked like, this was enough to attract the hottest women of the school.

This is a very common misconception within PUA. People like the idea that looks are not a contributing factor because they think that they are out of their control.
The truth is that looks do and always will play a part in attraction to some degree (depending on the person).

But what are good looks? There are two aspects:
1) The physical bone structure. This is not really able to be changed without surgery, its your jaw line, height, width of your shoulders etc.
2) Your skin, hair, clothes etc. This is easily changeable! If your skin looks like dried out leather, why the hell are you not using a moisturiser? Is your hair like straw? Conditioner. Are you getting overweight? Go to the gym. All of these things play a MASSIVE part in how attractive you are. Just look at some of the "celebs without make-up" pics on the internet and you will see just how different someone looks when they aren't taking care of themselves.

The amount looks matters will be different for each woman but all of them will have their lower limit. Some will not be willing to even talk to a guy who is less than a 8 but others will nearly ignore it completely.

As for your face, its all about proportions. A haircut/facial hair can make a big difference to the proportions of your face!

Isn't the "average" face supposed to be very attractive? I always though that finding the "ideal" was the point of merging together faces.

Also, all these women look attractive to me, since they have very clear and healthy skin and symmetrical faces. I guess the it would be easier to judge if they weren't so artificial.

Well Madals we agree that grooming is important, I have been saying this from the beginning. But the reason it is important is not nearly as much for the physical attraction you can create, but rather because of what it says about your personality. Even if your face is on par with a Calvin Klein model, if your hair and clothes look like shit, you will be much less attractive. The truth of the matter is the guy still may be good looking (as far as his face), he still has the model looks, but he is telling everyone that he is a lazy individual who doesn't respect himself, a very beta thing to do. His actual facial proportions will do very little for him. Where as in ass ugly guy with a GREAT style and fashion would very likely be able to at least get the 10s attention long enough to open, and then he could attract her. Once again, all of these things happen because of what they portray about the person's personality.

No PUAs will says that looks (as in facial proportions) play NO role in attraction, there is a small amount. But they will say that no matter how ugly a person is, they can consistently score 10s with their personality. It has been proven over and over again in field (check Neil Strauss, Cajun).

As far as some 10s not even allowing themselves to talk to ugly guys, I'm sure there are a few out there. But I bet even with these, if the guy had enough social proof in the venue (already had a ton of hot women with him, was the center of attention in the whole place) the girl would likely break this rule as give him a warm approach, where there after he could win her over with his personality.

Oh god- the symetrical face= better genes argument again?

What is this Dr Robert Winson's comparing Human's to the Animal Kingdom documentary?



Here's my face for all the world to see. I have no shame.