Hi, I am new to this forum and look forward to improving my game every single day I wake up in the morning.

Not too long ago I was a typical AFC and after my heart was completely broken I decided to do a lot of research and since then have learned a lot about how to attract women. I fell in love with a beautiful girl and as an AFC I thought that the way to attract her to me was to be really nice and loyal to her. There is a reason women always complain that all men are assholes who fuck them and chuck them and that is because those are the ones they are attracted to. I have completely changed the way I interact with women and have had lots of success.

Now that I have introduced myself I wanted to get some advice. A few nights ago I was at a pub and saw two older women (one was a dime, the other a 6)... I had taken Ecstasy before hand and that gave me unreal game and confidence. I casually walked up to the set and said "Hey are if you two are here all alone feel free to join my friends and I right behind you" They said that they were there alone and would join us briefly. I waited like 10 minutes and got sick of waiting so I walked up to their table, pulled up a a chair and said "I’m sick of my friends, I’m going to join you guys". We got talking and I seemed to just be saying all the right things. I was spitting game. The older women told me that she was 36 and her friend was 31 and they worked together. I casually continued the conversation and then said something along the lines of "why don’t you give me your business card so I can keep in contact with you" She looked at me and said "ohhh smooth move" and pulled out her business card and handed it to me. I know she was feeling attracted to me because she kept giving me seductive looks while she was sipping on her drink and she was asking me all sorts of questions about myself which I felt were both IOI's.


I am now looking at her business card and planning to call her tomorrow because she should be back in the office on Monday. I have never closed a classy older business women and am looking for some advice on how to fuck close her. The oldest girl I have banged was 29 and she was a whore. It didn’t require the slightest bit of game to close her. I feel out of my element because of the age difference and the fact that she is a classy business women. Any advice would be appreciated.

On a side note that was the second time I have ever done MDMA (ecstasy) and although I am not proud that I did it, I can’t even describe how smooth I was while under the influence of it.

Firstly welcome to the forums, secondly people do different things but I'd try building natural game without the use of drugs and alcohol, yeah they can help, but imagine how good you'd be without them!

I'd reccomend doing what your doing with this women, keep the convo interesting, and brief, let her wonder what your up to, I take it she's from around your area? If so, pretend your busy, your around the area and stuff. Remember don't be blatant and ask to hook up, keep it simple and brief is my advice, show maturity aswell by not jumping in. Hope it helps.

I was thinking of caling her tommorow and saying something like. "Hey jen I met you at the bar the other night and really enjoyed our conversation and I was hoping we could continue it over dinner. I know a few good places around town and would love to take you out"

Well you could do that, but in my opinion that isn't gaming her and I'm sure a lot of people will agree.

That's what an AFC would do. First convo just keep it brief, see what she says and react upon that, ask her what she is doing this week, and DHV yourself and say "yeah i'm around there this week, I'm doing so and so" I do that with girls and say "yeh i'm around there doing work this week, they always send me on the more advanced jobs".

So I ended up calling her and she didn’t pick up so I left a message. I just said "hey call me back at (my number)” She called me back about an hour later. I was talking to her and I told her that I really enjoyed hanging out with her and her friend last weekend. She told me that she was glad I introduced myself to her. I told her that I usually don’t flirt with older women but she looked pretty good for 31. She laughed and told me "it’s a shame you’re not 10 yrs younger because your kind of cute to” I told her I was really mature for my age and she laughed and said "honey, I bet your mom still does your laundry for you” I told her that was between my mom and I and it was none of her business. She laughed and told me she was really busy and had to get back to work. She gave me her personal number saying it was better if I contacted her on her cell rather than her work phone. I asked her what her schedule was like this week and she told me she’s pretty busy all week but should be free on Friday evening.

I’m considering taking a small amount of MDMA before I meet her just to take the edge of… I’m fucking nervous.

Drugs is down to you man, if you want to do it kool.

So have you arranged a date for friday?

Enjoy the nervousness . . . why run from it? That "nervous" feeling is a big factor in the enjoyment of meeting and befriending people. Why rob yourself of this?

Accept your reality. You ARE younger. You ARE less experienced. You ARE excited. She is excited. She WANTS to see you. And you've already planted enough relationship possibilities into her so that she's expecting sexual ramifications of your eventual meeting. Everything is going EXACTLY as it should.

Just go with it. Don't worry, you are NOT the AFC you once were. No magical AFC angel is going to knock you out with fairy dust turning you back to what you once were. Likewise, no amount of medicinal influence will turn you into an older, more experienced, less excited individual . . . and why would you even want this?

Fumbling for words, stuttering, nervous hand holding, going for that first kiss . . . this is ALL part of the game. . . and she's old enough to expect it. And it can actually be a big turn on in itself. She is attracted to you BECAUSE you are all these things, not because you have tricked her into thinking something that you are not.

When you see her, give her a big hug and plant a big smooch on her cheek. Just roll with it.