Ok so yes there is a girl on MPUA and I have been reading alot of these forums and I know the 'PUA's' out there. My last boyfriend credits 'the game' as how he managed to score me, and now I am single again, having known the ways men go about playing the game I now see it all pretty clearly.

In fact at this moment I have 4 or 5 guys interested in seeing me. And I am pretty sure all these guys have read and are playing 'The Game' with me. I have no problem with 'the game' teaching men how to be confident with women, this is great, it teaches guys alot about how to hold themselves in a relationship and to be frank sometimes guys do need help when approaching women with out being an instant turn off. I understand the tricks, but now as a girl seeing these things in guys I do like and I am interested in its now hard to tell 'who is genuine?'

I mean, out of these 4 or 5 guys all playing the same game, not dating but using all the subtile rules on me to peak my interest, but knowing who one decides to go for now is really hard. you all now wear the label of 'cool, non-clingy, flirtacious' but at the end of the day a girl doesn't want to find that the guy she chooses turns out to be a dick the moment his dick gets some...

nice to know girl is on the forum... i hope you wont melt because i replayed to you (ok... had to say this... now on topic lol)

anyway...

Sooner or later you will see who is real alpha and who is not... If you push them with more "shit tests" you will see who will fail and who wont ... There is not everything in the book, ya kno .

Give them wrong vibe if you know they are PUA-s... And the one who will try for you rly hard maybe you should give him chance kuz he is probably truly interested.

You can separate the genuine ones from the ones faking with tricks, but a real PUA will pass all the shit tests and be fully congruent with what he projects, because he's being, not doing.
When the guy is a real PUA it's a privilege to get played by him.

If you're not comfortable with guys with "super powers" to be attractive you can still date AFCs.

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

PUAs are just regular guys like anybody else. It is also difficult to know who will be genuine and not with regular people.

Then of course you can see through the game. You just skip the routines and judge him by the way he flufftalks. The stuff in between. Ask him some genuine things about himself. Let him take an interest in you. Most crappy PUAs get lost after the initial phases of pickup. They dont know what to do with real connection once they find it. So try them out. Ask them deeper stuff and see which one you like best.

Many PUAs feel lost without their game so deprive them of their game and catch them off guard. If they cannot keep up without their game they have lost.

On the other hand. I believe that all of us wants to be genuine deep down inside. We are ourselves we just hide it in different ways. This is what PUA is about, bying time to show who you really are (or try to be).

PUA has been developed to imitate the behavior of naturals, so if you're interacting with sufficiently skilled PUA's, you probably won't be able to tell them from the naturals. Following that logic, it's quite likely that perhaps only one, two, or none of the guys interested in your have involved themselves in the community.

Let's get philosophical, though. What makes a guy a natural? I'd say it's partially his genetic disposition, but primarily his environment, his upbringing. A guy's environment can make him fun, secure, confident, sociable... it can also make him exactly the opposite. Maybe he was homeschooled his whole life and taught to save his virginity for that one special girl, taught that sex was literally a manifestation of evil (yes, personal experience). That will really screw up his success with women once he finally shakes off his indoctrination.

So how is a PUA different from a natural, REALLY? Perhaps they're still hanging on to some AFC baggage, but naturals have their insecurities too.

There is nothing genetical about being a natural.

I think using the Game is good, forget what she thinks, you have to build more and good inner game, express yourself naturally and try to be unique, don't go using all well known techniques. If you can take the confident side of pickup and use your own routines, chances are your in!

I don't think a REAL PUA labels himself as such, unless he absolutely needs to.

For example, I'm an average joe who likes to be able to out and attract the girl I want.

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-- Jay --

since when did women start using the internet?

Without studying PUA and without the confidence they get from this they would very rarely have a chance of showing a cute girl how cool they really are

About the same time they were allowed to vote and leave the house without a male relative... Yeah I know it sucks...

Oh my god you mean a girl is attracted to players and then annoyed when they turn out to be bad people.

I'm shocked.

Call Scotland Yard.

JS

People are going to use the game differently than one another. And many PUA's are not trying to be abusive of their powers, but trying to level the playing field a bit. My suggestion, which recently has sort of been done to me, play back. It will weed out the boys from the men, those that are putting on an act from those who have internalized their confidence. You know the rules, you know the tricks, so have fun with it. There's a balance to everything, so play your own game and see who doesn't get frustrated, he's either a good PUA worth knowing, or maybe just a natural who's really into you.

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The most complex things can still be sorted out one Variable at a time...

when a girl is "playing back" it's fliriting, and it's the funnest kind of game!!!

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"StreetLight!! Stop seeing every problem in life like it's a chick you didn't hit on!"

Quite true my man. I always love a girl who you can tell is interested simply because she's trying to through you off your game.

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The most complex things can still be sorted out one Variable at a time...