Hi guys,

I am very new to this and i just finished reading ' The game'. I have known this one gal for nearly a year now, though it started by us going out on a couple of dates, later on its just remained there. However we do hangout quite a lot. But i am somewhere in the LJBF zone. The closest i ever got to her was grabbing her ass and she said that i was smooth. I also car pooled with her on a 6 hour drive but my AFC hormone prevented me from making any move. Of late i have been practicing freeze-out and laying off. In response to which she said that she missed me and complained that i dont talk to her at all, but i have been pretending to be very busy. I have a plan to meet up with her this Thursday but i plan to flake, so do that i give her more opportunity to miss me. Could you guys advise how do i go about making her my girlfriend.

She's showing serious IOI in you by saying she misses you, it sounds like you got this one in the bag. You already grabbed her ass and she didn't slap you, said you were smooth. Obviously she's into you.

You want to get her more interested and eventually into bed, use some kino on her some time when you two are alone, I prefer to use this at your house or hers or some place that is a little private at least. You can try under the pre-tense of simply asking her to come inside for a second; either for tea, or a drink of some kind, or make some story up about how you need to have her see something in your room (hehe). It could be a peice of furniture you just bought or maybe some other thing you just have to get her in your room for, but make it completely unrelated to what you are about to do...

Give her a challenge of some kind, telling her you bet you are better at massage than her (or something of that type). Or just try being playful with her somehow (I'm sure you can think of something). Remember to stay confident, and after a bit of touching, push-pull, then move in for the kiss, which if in on or near a bed will eventually lead to sex (have a condom ready too).

Ok, first off forget about labels. Don't even use the word g/f around her, or even talk about your "relationship". I find that women don't want labels anyways, unless she is the one who is asking about it.

When you show her how good you are in bed and how confident you are as a male, she will want to be your "g/f" without you even asking.

Anyways, hope this is good advice. Good luck mate.

_________________
I'm not run of the mill, because it's from the mill I'm running...

I am thinking of the same. Thanks for the advice especially not bringing up the word 'relationship' as in the past when i tried to kiss her, she turned away. But i will keep what u said in mind and keep u posted. What do u think about me flaking on Thursday. I know that the best gift u can give a woman is 'the gift of missing u' but wud it be pushing her away too much as i even declined her last invitation to hangout.

Well it's weird, because I went through a similar problem like this before. The girl viewed me as a brother only and it crushed me over time. See the problem with me is that I'm persistant as hell, and when I want something I will stop at nothing to get it.

Eventually this "friend" of mine pissed me off enough for me to end it with her.

What happened was she basically winded up ignoring my advances and feelings, while all the time still wanting to be around me desperately. Me, being the AFC I was at the time was listening to all her problems and being that shoulder (just like all the other guys in her life who she was doing this, it wasn' t just me) for her to cry on.

It's amazing though how the tides turned when I got a g/f and eventually a fiancee (who turned out not to be my type later), she was jealous as hell and tried to top (out game) me by getting a b/f .

Too many fake signals and mind games for me to stick around or talk to her ass. As men, we have no time for 'mind games'.

_________________
I'm not run of the mill, because it's from the mill I'm running...

Hey i have been coming up with excuses to see that girl now and using the freeze-out to some extent. Now i just got to know that she's got the flu and has been ill for about a week now, and my plan is to go visit her and demonstrate the caring side of me. Is it a good idea?

Great idea! Show her you emotional, caring side, but tease her (and keep teasing her). When you feel things are starting to go good freeze out again and make her miss that caring side of you, make her chase after it a bit. Just my 2 cents

_________________
http://www.solomonseagal.com

Anyone can walk into a bar and pick up a random girl.
The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

Oh yeah i've already been teasing her about the flu, but when i told her i was cuming over, she told me not to do it today, coz it was contagious, i hope she did mean it, but then i acted a bit assertive and told her i will be coming tommorow.

[quote="amit482001"]Oh yeah i've already been teasing her about the flu, but when i told her i was cuming over, she told me not to do it today, coz it was contagious, i hope she did mean it, but then i acted a bit assertive and told her i will be coming tommorow.[/quote]

You should have agreed and gone over today anyway. Why wait? You could have said something like, my girl is sick, i take care of my girls.

Don't stay too long.

to the first reply thank you so much i been trying to get with a girl for almost 5 years and she sees me as a brother and has dated dumbasses for the past 4 years and she always runs to me to cry to after each break up lately i been a douchebag to her, and a week ago i almost kissed her except a cockblock came in to the room, she has a roomate, and all but i wanna try something this weekend, tickle her into her bed as usual, and use the oldest line ever, "dude your nose wiggles when you laugh" and laugh at her then mess with her a lil and go for the KTK "kiss to kill" and then go from there

I thought the friend zone or the even worse "you're like a brother to me" zone is something that you can never get out of?

Also that being the nice guy and being there for her, listening to her shit etc was the wrong thing to do?

Well i had learnt my lesson in the past. SO i always kept on hitting on her and asking her to be my gf. But that was wrong, coz i neva knew gals don't liek labels. i always flirted with her, and she would use the jealousy factor with me when i would act up. So i think i always got IOIs but didn't know if it until i read the book and heard the tapes. Is ' Why can't we be friends' or ' No one wants to be my friends, they all wanna get in my pants' different from LJBF. I am jst trying to read into the words an understand the psych.

Well i still haven't gone to visit her in CT. I did call her yesterday to check on her and told her i wud visit her on Sunday. SO today she sent me a couple of text messages asking when i would be coming and that she's also having a superbowl party tommorow now that she's much better. But i didn't reply and i also did chat with her on FB, to which she sent me a FB chat msg ' Y are u ignoring me?'. Now i think after the push, i did some pulling by some nice sweet txt msging telling her how much i would like to come, but i have too much on my plate. And also added some humor to it, but i was the first one to end the txting telling her tat i would call her later tonite, but i am not goin to.
ANy suggestions or Feedback. Btw does her asking me ' y i am ignoring her' mean that i have this one in the bag'.

Yeah I think you do got this in the bag, simply because shes investing a lot in the interaction and more than you do.
Other than that, when you do see her, make sure she realizes that you are different than what you were. Tease and be edgy in a way - don't make the same LJBF mistakes.

_________________
"Despite all the giggling, blushing and talk about having a deep connection, it all ends
with a cock in her mouth." ~60 Years Of Challenge

dude, you can get this chick, trust me.

All you need to tip her over the edge with your "busy" routine is to make a pseudo joke when she is like, "why are you ignoring me?" say something like, "i'm not ignoring you, but you do realize i am in high demand with other females in these parts?" ...or in some way insinuate that you are / have been dating a few girls.

you have the classic case of one-itus. as soon as she hears you are dating other girls (or thinks you are) then she will start to see you as a sexual threat...which is what you want.

Good Luck and keep us posted,
The Oracle

I mite be seeing her at school this week and i was thinking i should straight away go for the kiss or do some touching. She acted up all sad, when i was to take different classes, and so now are together in classes too so going to be very difficult for me to practice the freeze-out now. I feel i should straight away grab her and stick my tongue in hers when i see her. Wat do u think Oracle.