There is very little you can do with Inner game posts, except nod your head agree, and go back to the shit cycle which has you moving through forum posts teaching you about confidence.

Why?

Well your thinking proccess's are divided largely into two sections.

The limbic rings, present in all forms of life.

These control emotions such as fear, anger etc. Emotion is like a really basic form of logic, telling you what to do.

For example: If you are scared it tells you and motivates you to get out of that situation.

The other part is your Neo-Cortex, that is the centre of Logical activity, problem solving etc.

These two parts interact.

You are working with some machinery and you realise that there is a fault that could cause it to explode (cognitive thinking identifying a problem and calculating it's potenttial consequences) this generates fear which motivates you to turn the machine off and fix the problem (Emotional drive of fear, motivates you to change the situation and use your cognitive ability to fix the machinery to make it safe).

These two systems are constantly working off one another, your emotions provide you with motivation and "reason" and your cognitive thoughts act as the tool box to ful-fill these desires.

However it is incredibly difficult for your cognitive thoughts to make a considerable shift in your emotional circuitry.

That's the problem with fear in the 21st Centuary; it's rarely logical. Chances are that post on Inner game although perfectly logical and thought out, is just a reflection of the authors state of mind and attitude, it doesn't impart anything real onto you.

The mindset of an experienced Bunjee jumper is far more coherent than that of someone terrified of Bunjee Jumping, but the Bunjee Jumper didn't learn how to be calm doing what he does, and get the courage to jump through talking himself through the process. He developed it through experience.

Courage and Motivation to Sarge are emotional traits which are developed through practise, it's great to be aware of Inner game. But ultimatly 90% of the posts made on the topic are just people talking about there emotional circuitry and there feelings which is useless to people who don't have those mindsets.

If you are wanting to adopt these mindsets on a full internally complete level...

Reading about them will do nothing for you.

If you want to have rock solid inner game or any kind of game. There are girls and opportunities to prove yourself and create confidence everywhere.. ...it's up to you make the choice over how much you want it.

Fin.


Wouldn´t you also agree that this is the reason why going into the field is king over staying home reading upon Poo Ahh material?

Anything that motivates a person is a stepping stone in the right direction. You can't tell someone what they believe in is wrong, even with logic; take for example Religion.

Eventually I believe people who are reading about inner-game or whatever that they believe in reading are going to get the message and try out the stuff written in it for experience of their own.

Some people are just too shy, and it baffles people exuding confidence. You are just tired of reading the same old spewed out message about inner-game, as though it is still a surprise that there are real-life people who suffer from extreme shyness, and still read over performing.

I find it a thrill to do what I read, but this is really SCARY shit to people still and will be for a long ass time.

Jav: Indeed

Mississuaga; we can tell people a belief is wrong, it's desires that cannnot be proven wrong.

Fear cannot be proven wrong, it's an emotion and can be independant of logical calculation.

However, you know the term Key Jockey?

Reading breeds key jockeys, this is scary shit to people, and reading doesn't change that! It's scary shit until you do something and this re-wires your to think "this is not scary shit".

People who spend all day reading about inner game, almost NEVER develop inner game until they get off their ass and put in the time required to build some inner game.

I am tired from reading spewed out inner becuase I know the vast majority of it doesn't help anyone nearly as much as if the newbies went and got some inner game.

Fin, I think that yeah, you are right, but so are 90% of the rest of the posts as well.

"I have this new routine, never field tested it but what do you guys think."
"I have One-itis for this girl in my kindergarden."
"This girl in my class told me that I am a nerd, how do I smite her with my awesome wordgames?"
"Mystery sucks."
"Im gonna spit in a girls mouth."
"Yeah, you are gay."
"I sarged a girl and she didnt give me her number what did I do wrong, I thought we had a nice chat."
etc...

Seriously, the inner game posts that are really worth reading is the ones on how to break free of your fears. How to deal with problems. The ones that give you the tools to do it. Not just a comment that you need to MAN UP. Its completely useless. If people could just man up they would. But they dont know how to do it. It is the same with posts like. I just went up to her and smiled while being the alpha male. Its like, yeah and how exactly did you reach that point?

Ezo

Hahahaha it's funny you should mention this - I was actually thinking of making a post about these the other day; I’ll tell you why.

I also browse as well as this forum, NEL forums – North England Lair (I live in Newcastle) and most of these guys seem to think they are the shit, a lot like people on this forum (although I’m certain we have a better calibre on here).
Anyways, NEL did a free conference in Sheffield and since I was actually planning to meet my best mate somewhere around that area I decided we’d go for the experience.

Well, I can tell you that most people there were not who they claimed to be. For some strange reason they were all dressed in pointy shoes (winklepickers), baggy jeans and jackets. They all looked the same and not one could I imagine being alpha or even able to pull girls whatsoever. On the night out where I just wanted to bust some dance moves and get drunk with my mate I kept constantly getting told to approach. When I didn’t, they acted as if they were above me, and when I told them “I just want to have fun” they didn’t really understand. Was I gay? I had a hotel room at a Travelodge and I didn’t want to find a girl to fill it? Wow, I must have been weird. One guy who seemed pretty sound only talked about game. Whenever I was talking to my mate catching up, he seemed to be trying too hard to be alpha and change the topic and amog us. Christ almighty, what a tool. And it got me thinking:

How do I know that Fin isn’t a keyboard jockey? How do I know that Chief isn’t? Truth is, I don’t. I don’t believe they are but that is not the point. The point is just like on NEL, everyone on these forums seems to think they are a guru. We have guys signing up straight away and writing deep posts on inner game. I must’ve read shit loads of threads on inner game these past few days.

And this ALSO got me thinking. Does everyone just post inner game shit because everyone else is? Or because it’s the easiest to post and preach about, and an excuse for not actually doing shit in field? Or because it’s actually necessary?
It isn’t necessary. All I ever seem to read on these forums is “Don’t give a fucking shit what everyone thinks” “Do what you want to do” “Don’t let fear hold you back” “Limitations are only there if you think they are” etc etc blah blah blah.
I’m not saying I am great at game, I barely ever open, this being due to my high standards and also I admit I have AA. But neither do I go about preaching this that and the other. All I read is posts on inner game with nobody documenting their progress or challenging theories, just straight posts that are preaching. It’s getting boring.

So I guess my point is, is to just challenge anything and anyone. Oh and if you read this, please post something other than inner game!

holy fucking shit, i started reading your post.. and was about to bash you.. until i finished reading and realised you have the same mindset i do. *claps* Practice , Experience , and anything that will make your brain realise " Hey, this isnt so bad, Im just talking to a girl, and oh hey i just realised theres alot of girls, and it doesnt matter if she likes me or doesnt". Tho yes Pua material is good. Believe it or not, there are good things from pua, and definately some great material.

straight up jumping into a cold ass pool. Just do it.

What I've realised: Inner Game cannot be taught, it has to be learnt through experience.

And yet, I will still ask Quesiton on it, because I want to avoid the painful lessons - I mean, who wants to experience pain/hurt ? Even if I know it will improve me for the future, I'd rather have a happy 'Present' to be honest.

I want to avoid making mistakes during these lessons before they happen. It may not be possible to truly develop Inner Game without the mistakes, but here's my thought process :

- Two ways of learning something: Doing it right first time + getting results, doing it wrong and realising what you did wrong and fixing it.

I read posts on inner game so I can go out and learn via the first method, rather than the second, which normally hurts :/.

Although I disagree with the heading to your thread, you know, I actually agree with your post and the above sentence.

When one is getting beat up in all corners of life i.e. work, study, relationships etc.. ones inner game is bound to get brused. IMO, Inner game is developed through experiences on has in life and everytime one gets out of a 'low spell'. Most of us who have a strong inner game draw inspiration from our own lives to 'man-up' when faced by a difficult situation.

And like every emotion this too is a fluid state.

Good post Fin.

trixta, again, a good thought that I agree with. I know of people who can talk about 'Game' and approaches at bars and when you ask them to approach and show how its done, they can comeup with 10 reasons why not to due to 'tech difficulty'. I would then go straight and approach. Actually I dont mind such guys, because that way I get to dating more women..

Knowing the concepts and internalising are two different things. There was guy in here who talked about not caring what others think and every time I would challenge him he would go on explaining his post to me !!- Finally I had to show him how he was reacting to my challenge and I am just an invisible poster on net who he would never meet !!!

god... i wish there was a MAGICAL SOLUTION to lack of confidence. anyone? lol

He he, I am happy that there isnt... That would bring everyone else up to our level and we would have no advantage...

I agree. This might sound harsh or narrow-minded, but I subscribe fully to the MAN UP philosophy. I got over my AA by having a wing force me to go chat with girls, and it worked. I only get AA now if I'm doing the apoc opener or something like that while sober.

Inner game is solely confidence, and you can only become confident at something if you do it proficiently and often.

I actually thnk I know quite a bit about game, you could call me a keyboard jockey because I just don;t use it at bars. Iprefr to use my jnowledge as lerning about the psychology and attactiong laws, they have helped me somuch. I rarely ever appoach in bars. Tring to find a girlfroend in a bar is like tyring to find a needle in a haysack.

As for the scond part, I donb't really care what people think of me on this forum in general. As of my latest post a few people think I'm 'deluded'. Do I care? No. Did I challenge it? Yes.

I post on this forum for insights plus experience ofother people, and if peope think |I', deludedthen they will post afdvice accordingly for adeluded person, not for myself. Just because someone argues with you on the net does ot mean they are validating themself or ttrying to prove you wrong!