As someone who has only recently broken free of his AFC roots, I can say that things like negs, openers, and DHVs definately helped me actually become a naturally attractive person. You can't just expect AFCs to just magically turn into attractive guys- they really need something to grab on to at first. I was never much for canned material, but the more I faked it, the more I started living it.

It's kind of like teaching someone to improvise jazz. At first you just tell them to noodle around in a particular scale. That's definitely not what the pros do, but nobody just starting to play jazz would know what it means to "FEEL the notes, man!"

I mean this in good fun but wasn’t the original post a version of mystery method. Approach target (<a href="">PUA Forum</a>) with an opinion opener (MM sucks) add leverage (using- MM turns you into a button pusher) to target to qualify or justify themselves. Sit back and watch target invest in you (page views and responses).
If the original opinion is correct then this thread would have received the same page views and responses by saying Hi I’m a fun and exciting guy, come check out my thread.
Just my observation☺

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“You must have inner validation before outer validation serves a purpose”

In my opinion, if you truly believe that the MM is flawed and bad. You have not understood anything of it. You think that it is about routines and gimmics? Thats far from the truth. It is the philosophy behind that you want. You cannot just take it as the obvious newbies do, you gotta think!

Even Mystery himself has on several occasions mentioned that his method is not meant to fit everybody as it is, everybody are supposed to take what they like from it and create their own method. Thats the thing. If you mindlessly repeat routines you are plain stupid. Learn what you can from this man, most concepts "CONCEPTS" in PU is derived from Mystery. Unless you understand what he is really trying to tell you, you are gonna dislike it. And Im not talking about the obvious hidden meanings but the deeper ones! Figure that out for yourselves guys.

I disagree with the OP. How is that supposed to work? how is a shy person going to just become "cool". That's like saying to a manic depressant "don't worry about it, just be happy"

Its not about just getting laid either, is about creating a connection.

Also the OP Said:


Of course you need to do some to create attraction, It has been happening throughout our entire evolution. With gifts, High Status (actual tribal leaders) etc. and in the animal kingdom with mating dances, offers of protection and so on.

if i didn't have to do anything to create attraction, women would be stopping and kissing me in the street, and that doesn't happen.

The other point, Having a good time with people stops being a good time when you have nothing to say and they walk away. You cannot connect with someone just by simply existing, someone has to initiate it, and the Mystery Method is one very good way of doing so.

Some a user over on the same forum as the first guy posted this today and I feel you guys should read it:
Just some food for thought. I'm rather busy tonight but I'll be back tomorrow night with a reply that goes fully indepth on why MM is lame.

Peace.

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as EZO said, the MM, is not a book full of openers, negs, and routines, there are a few there but they are there to give EXAMPLES... the MM talks about the stages of seduction, and the triggers, and the set of mind you should have and HOW to change you're set of mind...
owe COME ON!!!! That is SO untrue, on the contrary, people think that if they read "The Game".. then they know the philosophy off it all, and been trough all the stages..

you can only be good in PU if you will become an interesting person, which means being good in a lot of stuff, and you will have a lot of interest.. which will include more then...
...just that


an more then just sex...

after going into the game, I started to REALLy go out for fun AND get laid more, I don't go out to hopefully get girls (like I used to once).. I enjoy life more

well.. I have to go to work so I can't really write more for now but I have a LOT on my mind and I'm REALLY angry at you guys!!!

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"StreetLight!! Stop seeing every problem in life like it's a chick you didn't hit on!"

Walking around a bar with a fedora and ski goggles on doesnt make you alpha, or a PUA, it makes you a douche bag, and a great situational opener.

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"Who the f**k is Fanning?"

LOL no! Going on internet forums posting about picking up women instead of doing cool shit with our lives makes us bigger douchebags than anyone.

Lets get one thing straight - we're all douchebag loosers. Mystery's intent is NO different to yours.

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“Simplicity is the key to brilliance”

So you take one of Mysterys concepts and judge the entire method from it... That shows real insight. Are you guys trying to not understand or are you just debating for the sake of debating. You limit yourselves by not trying to understand. Without deeper insights, of course its gonna suck.

you can say that on about everything...
(I mean off course the tone and the generalization)

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"StreetLight!! Stop seeing every problem in life like it's a chick you didn't hit on!"

Isnt it interesting that people that progress stop themselves, turn around and bash everything behind them just because they think that they dont need it anymore. And when they progress for real they realize that what they learned was not what they should have learned. Then they go back and get the real wisdom.

wax on... wax off.... wax on... wax off

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“Simplicity is the key to brilliance”

Really? How do you suppose our fathers romanced our mothers then? This MM bullshit wasn't around then to help them.

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I should sue the creators of She's Out Of My League for turning my life story into a movie without my consent.

"no you have all that you need inside you already"

Each one of us has inside us the ability to run a four minuet mile, however without training, focus and dedication, non of us will ever achieve it.

Mystery method (MM) is the short cut to training focus and dedication that a vast majority need to progress. Once we taste success we can tweak are own performance into a more personal form of pickup, be it natural, AMOGing, routine based, using a point system like LOSVEGAS or any combination.

im going to close with one last statement, the MM never stops being effective, it only stops being entertaining to repeat over and over, it get boring, thus you lose enthusiasm in your own words, and without enthusiasm the MM is less effective.

But to say MM sucks (assuming it is not just an effective page Hook) is blasphemy.

~JJ

i personly am a big fan of the MM. the steps are to attract, comfurt, saduce.

first there is atraction and there is a way of attracting a girl. i fully havent understood it yet but the way is there.

we must atract in some way to so we can biuld comfort with our other half of use human being.

is it natrual for us to just walk up to anyone and start a conversation thousands or millions of years ago, think about it. at one point there was maybe 100,000 thousand humans on this planet, idk im just guessing.

was it alright to walk up to the cute girl and start talking to her like you and her are BF and GF? i wouldnt think so. you might of gotten killed or something.

we react to the aproach. so the feeling you get(im not yet able to full deiscribe it) that adrenalin rush is one way we react because at one point... not yet found the point yet... that feeling is the reaction to the aproach. you feel it, i feel it, we all feel it. it is universal. now you can get yourself use to this feeling by activly aprooching a new group of people or that hot girl you like untel you know and understand the feeling, then forget about it because you know what to say after you feel the feelings. that is when you become natrual at aproaching.

then there is to atract... we must first define attraction... only problem i dont know how to...

so you atract her or get her to want to find out more about you. the MM shows us things that get them attracted and what is aproperite to say and how to. you can use an interesting story, a cool trick you learned, or maybe even say "she remind you of your little sister." anything to get her attention and keep it.

when she is truly atracted that is when she has to win you over because, mystery said, what we acheive easly, we take it for granted, i cant remember the whole quote.

you have her work to earn you, so she feels she won you over. then we start a connection with her. we let her know we are human and not some other guy and that we can have a relationship both emotional and physical. you fluff with her and biuld comfort with her so she will be comfterbale enough to have sex with you.

and that is the last part. sex or suduction. i havent gotten to that part yet, i know that is the biggest part, expecialy for the girl, and there is a reason why they have little blocking points.

so what im saying is that the game many element in it, and they are not hard ones. they are always going to be there. MM, it shows the prosess, not you, but what the girl goes through before she is ready to have a sexual realationship with you


when you full become natrual at the stages, i hope this is true, you then create your own game, your own short cuts, games, conversations, ect...

and it seems like you have an issue with natrual game. that is ajourny only you can take, in Neil Stress's book the game, he talks all the time about how he isnt truly satisfied or confident untel something happened, he seen he learned everything he needed and was ready for the game. he truly felt confident. i havent fully finished the book.

your going to do fine. to hum his own way and your way will show.

i like the MM way because it is the roots on which you grow off of and i find you must alway respect where you come from.