Ok, Im gonna hurt some feelings here. The ones who think that the MM is outdate, that its useless have not really understood what he is trying to tell you. The MM is awesome if you understand it. If you truly understand it. Just learning the obvious stuff is not enough. Just learning the non obvious stuff is not enought either. When you have seen the hidden meanings, it makes a lot of sense. And dont give me that AFC crap now, I have been through the MM a loooong time ago and I have disliked it but in the end, it is worth your while if you dont take it like most people do.

MM is BEST used for 9's and 10's in the club game.

If you want to pickup 7's and 8's at the daygame and you use MM, no wonder why you dont get results as you should.

Different outcome -> different method.

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"They're playing groupie, so I'm playing rock star." (mystery)

For me, being a pua is not about using canned lines, openers etc. I am a believer that you can get off with saying anything as long as your body language and tonality is spot on. If you are congruent with what you say and believe it to the core it should not matter what you say.

The pua community is more about overall self improvement. All guys have their own attractive personality, its just that most struggle to show this for fear of the girl not liking them.

With so many women in the world just go with the flow. Exposure of the pua community is not going to stop women falling for attractive, funny guys.

No. This is only true if you use the MM in the wrong way. What most people do is like using a lasergun to club someone in the head.

Exactly!

I guess I understand why so many PUAs run for the hills when they hear that The Game is becoming a movie, or that Mystery is coming out with a third season of The Pickup Artist, or that the girl they gamed yesterday called them out on their routine. This is part of the natural evolution of the game! It's part of the natural evolution of any fad, any exposed underground community. People are going to hear about it. It's going to grow. People are going to catch on.

But like Ezo said, and so many have said before him and before me, if you really tune into what this whole pick up thing is about, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you are in this for the right reasons, you don't even need to have a second thought about all this publicity. Improve yourself in the core, on the inside, and you don't need all those ridiculous overused canned routines and lines and openers.

In short, like Ezo said, pickup has been exposed. Deal with it. It hasn't killed the idea of self-improvement, and it hasn't killed the game. It has only made it more difficult.

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My journal:
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I can't wait for girls to catch on, because the guys that actually do cool shit with their lives will be way ahead than the eBook crowd.

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“Simplicity is the key to brilliance”

@rhukkas Just try to have good DHV stories... and now that you've read the book... try doing real cool thing in real life...



And to everyone out there... The Game is like everything else in life...

you can play basket ball and score each time without knowing the ''basic'' stuff or even the number of point you just scored... still you are able to get the ball in the whole and you are proud of it...


the game is to life what the rules are to any sport... ''Basic'' line of conduct to avoid fail...

you still can improve yourself with different method of play and be better at a special thing...






Oh BTW The Game are the rules to life... unless you try to date a fish/bear/table/mountain/dead person... Humans behavior stay the same...

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-Always remember the Value of a Wing
-Always remember the Bird from Top Gun


Active peacock theory practicer ;p

Let's face it: If you're just spewing lines that you memorized, you will get caught out, and you DESERVE it.

But when you follow the principles of building attraction the right way, then knowing how to establish deep rapport with her, and having the balls to escalate...

WOULD ANY SANE WOMAN RESIST THIS?

No!

She's not going to say: "HEY! wait a minute! You just went from attraction to building rapport with a vulnerable story. I'm not falling for it!"

That's why establishing your own personal game is the key to unlocking eternal success with women.

Just because everyone knows there's a trick to magic doesn't mean that they know how the trick is done, or that they still don't want to be amazed with magic.

We just don't want to be MANIPULATED.

- CX

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I see the MM as Instructional scaffolding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructional_scaffolding

does this make any sense to you?

As an rAFC, I have to say that I love this show- I didn't even know it existed until I signed up to this forum and now I'm glad that I have.

Theres always more routines, openers, and tactics under development, though the core remains the same- it's very akin to Jeet Kune Do philosophy. Mastery comes from the formless form, being like water, adapting and integrating any move you need, but mastery must come from a firm grasp of basics.

The reason being that sometimes you need to see to believe, or even see to understand. The Peacock theory is easy to play out in your mind, but seeing a group of dudes and the different styles they rock let you see how broad the range is and how to play within the range between too little and too much. If you're starting and recovering, you can see the places early on where they screw up, what you've done better in the field yourself, and the moment where they've blown past you. You could damn near do a progression system ranking for yourself by which episode you're on.

My mother watches the Biggest Loser on television to inspire herself to greater weight loss. I'm watching the Pick Up Artist to inspire myself to greater game.

I don't think it does much to affect anything.

The concept I've learned is that there are certain attraction switches for a woman. These switches do not change and once you flip them, you have to do something stupid to flip them back.

Example, just because I know I'm about to get into an accident doesn't necessarily mean I can stop it.

If they were ruled by logic and reason this may have had a serious detriment to the community but they are not. They're ruled by emotions which are fickle and easily manipulated.

Sure if you go up to them and use exact stories used by Mystery and nothing else it will fail but that's goes the same for anything. Imposters are always found out eventually.

Really the main thing that attracts women though is your state of mind and confidence. I'm willing to bet money that you could quote Mystery lines to a girl that knows them all by heart and still get her into bed so long as you can stay congruent, calm, and confident while doing it.

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From the article: "For PUA devices to work properly, the woman should not realize they’re happening"

This is why pickup will never die. If women get wise to the tactics, someone will come up with a counter tactic. I guess you could call it an arms race of penis vs. vagina if you ask me. The only thing that's different is that we have the internet to spread the word, and unique tools such as online forums. All Mystery did is codify it and put the word out so that others could learn from his success.

Its still not going to make me want to wear a feather boa and eyeliner though. But I guess when everyone's peacocking you need to be that much more outrageous. The guy is on TV now with this VH1 show, and I'm sure that can only go to a person's head. Hollywood types are not real people, for the most part. They are caricatures of people. Mystery's been teleported into a different realm where the rules of real people on Main Street America don't really apply anymore.

Another tidbid from the article worth mentioning: "The recent trend toward men with androgynous characteristics..."

Unless this author has been asleep, the "metrosexual" trend has been dead for a while. You could call it's time of death around the shuttering of Cargo magazine in 2006. That doesn't make pickup dead, nor does it make people who study the psychology of picking up girls dead either. Hollywood types have been androgynous for 50 years but that trend had a short lived time in mainstream america and is now gone. Why? Average Jane likes masculine men. Period. Men who act out a little bit to show off are fine but at the end of the day Jane Doe does not want to be fighting with her man over moisturizer.

I have a feeling.. That I'm going to get a lot of flac for saying this.. But I'm going to do it anyways.

Though i'm not much of a fan of spewing out mainstream openers and gambits, I still think that Mystery still might be the most important character in the PUA community. I don't generally use his material just because it's all so mainstream and I don't use much canned stuff anymore, but he is the ONLY person in the community that has mapped out the entire interaction between a man and a target so scientifically.

Yes, there are other members of the community who advocate tactics, inner game, and tricks that are quite frankly more powerful than anything Mystery does, HE is the person that is personally responsible for the organization of todays "GAME" whether you use his stuff or not. from the approach, moving into the female-male attraction, to the male-female attraction. It's layed out in a way that is relevant and useful today, and every day in the future.. If you analyze most all PUA interactions, know it or not, they probably settle in directly to the layout set forth by Mr. Markovitch.

Point is, So what if it becomes a movie/season three comes out, the good PUA's will adapt, and the bad ones will.... get called out on the jealous girlfriend opener. No worries.

"If you're good, you're good."


Just because people know about thieves doesn't mean people stopped stealing.


Just get better at picking up women and they will never know it.

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Great opener imo (it still works fine)