Hey guys,

I've seen quite some people on the forum asking when and how to kiss-close. I thought I'd make a post about my way(s) of K-closing and then everyone that has their own method can contribute, so that people no longer need to post a new thread asking how to do it but instead can check this thread for some suggestions!

I've been doing my pretty damn successful thing for a while now I think, but I never even realized I was doing it this way, it was not until a friend told me she felt like wax in my hands when I did it and explained what I did to her, even though we're just friends (my choice really ). Another friend of mine says she sees me do it to girls all the time when we're out.

Ok so this is for when you think the attraction is there or think or know that she is going to respond well to a kiss, assuming the attraction is there. Most effective in a bar/club, you don't need to isolate her from her friends for this, just make sure they're not right next to her and jealous .

You're close to her, dancing/talking or both. You put your hand on her lower back every time you two come close to each other to say something (that means, don't lean in to understand what she's saying so she has to come closer ). I like to say something subtle sexually suggestive like "I like the way your body matches mine". Everytime you put it there you leave the hand there a little longer. Leave it there while moving away from her a little and smile at her, an innocent or naughty smile/grin. Sometimes the girl will ask why you look at her like that (in a fun way), then you can say something like "oh nothing special, I just like the way you move". or "I'm having a good time " If she doesnt, but smiles back, even better .
After doing this a few times (don't wait too long) you gently grab the back of her neck while moving closer to say/whisper something in her ear, if she has long hair, make sure you have your hand underneath her hair. Put your face to the side of hers and say something like "You're alright you know that?". Kiss her cheek really close to her ear (don't make it a fast and small kiss, do it a little bit slower than you would kiss someone's cheek and open your mouth a little and close it slowly while kissing, if you know what I mean, a real sensual kiss) and gently squeeze her neck, then pull away and look her deep in the eyes while smiling. You can go directly for the kiss from there (if you grab her neck again and squeeze while moving in for the kiss), but you can also see how she responds so you know if you have to escalate further before she's ready. I usually tease first by going back again, and then it's usually the time you both get hot and that fuzzy feeling that happens when you know you're about to kiss someone. Grab her by the neck again, give her one more kiss near her ear and if you want you can use Mystery's line "I'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now" to see if you calibrated well, but I never did that, it's just never needed. If you don't want to use that line, slowly pull your face back but keep your face close to hers and just look her in the eyes, then go in for the kiss (your hand still on her neck).

Oh and yeah if you're talking for a longer time, you can make a gentle grabbing motion with your hand on her back, like a "come here" handgesture, stroking her back with your fingers.

Hope this is of some use to you guys out there, since I realized it's 'power' I've been closing even more.

Let's hear some feedback and your own methods!

Chillburg.

Whatever you do, don't make the kiss-close verbal. Too much emphasis on the kiss->needy. Girls hate needy like cats hate water, they avoid it.

And I don't think the neck squeezing is such a good idea, throughout the neck run nerves, too much pressure on those and she'll try to run away from you.

I said gently! I mean like you would squeeze your cat or whatever lol.

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It's better to kiss/suck it

Also, get very close to the girl, good reaction->kiss. If not. Wash, rinse, repeat.

PERSISTANCE

i think your way of K-closing = chill chillburg... here's my opinion and way of doing it. i have to make a science out of it this time...

with K-closing In public settings ... in the venue...

1. Most girls Will like your confidence when you kiss her in public
2. Most girls are very shy or not confident enough to K in public that fast.
3. optional Your game lacks the calibration, you can be good but if you aren't calibrated to her emotional needs you are likely to get buyers remorse.

1 and 2 combinated can also lead to cause 3

Conclusion : Calibration leads the interaction

Cons: Often i don't k-close in public settings ( except with my GF) because i don't believe you can fully calibrate within a short period of time. Who are you kissing with she could K-close everyone and that can be a DLV K-Close-slut ? And buyers remorse is too likely to show up - even if you do some pull and push . And you got the friends and cockblock factor.. you will often see her friends will get dissapointed/jealous if they could not cock block you, without social proof it's harder to commit to a serious relationship.

But who gives a fucking shit when you aren't expecting her to be your GF... your just here to make fun right ?

Calibration clues and signal cues how to pickup signals ? :

You can only kiss a girl if you surprise her and she SUBMITS, she only submits to guys with high value right ? ok here is the deal ... You only got high value if you think you're high value , once she has invested and your dancing or whatever she could signal certain signals.

Submissive signals ( these are not always IOI... she could be horny and wants to kiss, meaning she isn't interested in you as person but invested enough to kiss) i call these submissive body interests...Female body interests (FBI )because she's exposing her female parts to you

1. she shows the vulnerable side of her wrist ( where the big veins run )
2: she makes herself smaller and tries to get close to you with a open stance
3. she seeks rapport even when you are already close... like she goes too close to your head with hers.
4. tilting her head and exposing her neck ( while you are close to eachother)
5. throwing her hair and exposing her neck ( while you are close together.
6. she follows orders too easily.. she sits on your lap or she does it when you ask her to do it. ( doggystyle obeying)

But why do people K-close without signals and methods : well first of all ... you don't need signals to kiss her, you can even do it without IOIs if you're confident enough. But most of us aren't willing to do sexual/touch harrasment - the girl could bite your tongue off or she calls her BF who she didn't mension before.
Some girls drank some booze, some danced and some used drugs to get in total ecstacy. And you got that 2 % that likes to kiss - with or without kino building ; call them sluts or low quality or whatever you like. I once kissed a girl because she likes to kiss - to her it was only a sport, i didn't even knew her name lol we just made out.

people who K-close without any game or inner game just have luck , but we aren't using luck as main motivator - social dynamics /gaming and k-closing is our sport and we don't let luck decide in our sport WE decide.

Ok so how do i kiss close while using submissive signals ( FBI) according to your opinion ? : ok here's the big eye opener.... you have kino building right ? first you touch her hand and then you touch her leg etc. first you touch her at non-intimate-body parts and after a while you build up to intimate; '' the kiss and so forth''

If you lead the kino and she doesn't show some FBI signals could i still K-close ?
YES because some girls let the male lead , and that is what kino building is.
BUT when she's allowing you to kiss her she use FBI signals...... and here's the funny thing : Most people see FBI signals as IOI's - yes tossing her hair and showing her neck is a IOI, but after a few hours do still think that is an IOI ? no it's a FBI she want you to kiss her and she's making herself vulnerable, so my main rule is that if she shows this ''IOI'' after a few minutes or hours ( depends on your calibration skill ) i consider it a FBI.

When is a FBI fake , you have fake IOIs right ? so there must be fake FBIs ?
yes this is true some people just incorporate certain body language cues in their dancing style - but she also can have itchy hair and she doesn't want to scratch so she throws her hair , because she doesn't want to scratch and feel insecure.

Conclusion of fake FBIs : it's tricky .... body language is tricky because it's not always 100% foolproof or plausible. Social conditioning made people use the same signals so the majority of people will send out FBI signals.
let's say body language reading is not always a reliable source and 80 of the people send out FBI'signals.

Kino building is taking the lead to the opportunity to kiss
FBI signals Are in most situations a instant/direct opportunity to kiss.

Why use a complex method ? it's not a method ... it's my way of thinking and im not a social control robot, often i look for 2 FBI signals only :
1. showing the vulnerable part of the wrist with some leaning ( coming close )
2 The most important .. tossing her hair while tilting her head and exposing her neck ( from close range of course)
Signals containing exposure of the neck are most plausible and correct anyway so i reccomend to kiss when she exposes her neck.

X thus we can : kino build until we get some FBI signals ( in my opnion most recommend)
Y Or take advantage of FBI signals instantly

X and Y both are very dependent on your calibration skill.
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Kino building from my perspective : :
there are several options according to kino building, but lets connect them with results first :

1. Kino building from minor-kino to major-kino until K-close
2. Major kino while dancing ( if socially accepted... calibrate)
3. if the girl really wants you you have the option of not kino-ing at all.... this will make her chase more.
CONS

1. reliable but it takes time and investing ( emotionally and possibly financially)
2. Doesn't guarantee a K-close
3. it creates this awkward tension over her which shuts her down ( shy girls) , K-close is more accepted but LESS comfortable.

at 1,2,3 you Push her away after kissing especially 3 because 3 cause buyers remorse rather quickly.

Now the CONS Are actually total bullshit because we don't have anything to lose, at picking up there are no such things as major or minor losses because we start with nothing and only gain. There are no such thing as negative results....
i don't kino in a way like most guys do, because i try to come up with my own ideas - maybe try it out and see how it works out.

my way of kino : i got 2 general ways of kino:
1. i lead the kino, direct and nondirect-kino ( she could defy your kino )
2: i do non-direct kino until she kinos me ( i make her invest, less rejection)

i do both.. i just calibrate. im not going to talk about regular kino because you guys have enough material about that - im gonna give my opinion about my kino :'' non-direct kino''.

Non-direct kino : Meaning ( my personal defenition) you touch her without touching her body. I touch her watch without laying the emphasis on touching her physically.
example : i grab her watch, i touch her clothes and pinch pull her shirt , i touch her hair, i touch her glass/ cocktail or even drink a bit from it.

why would you do non-direct kino when you can do regular kino ? well non-direct kino is less threathening and less commiting , there is a smaller chance of defiance meaning less rejection. and very often you don't have to push which you often need to do with regualr kino.
I want attraction so i kino straight away by using non-direct kino.. it's just a extra weapon in my arsenal.

my second design... : Kino-lure if you grab her glass and you hand it back to her, she will touch you or non-direct kino you by receiving her glass. this is plausible kino but we use it as way to make her commit to touching. it's a extra way to make her invest.
expample : give her your phone she will grab it and she probably say '' what should i do with this '' now reach out your hand to get it back - when she gives your phone back you can touch her finger or whatever. just follow up with a neg or some natural game.
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defenite truth about kino

you don't need anything to kino someone... you can kino guys/girls in the club while walking past by them ( like the place is crowded and your making your path through) there are alot ways to use subtle kino BUT the best way to kino is to be confident and just do what you want. You can kino while looking uninterested - not telegraphing( by walking past by them)
in a fact i don't use the methods/ ways and often just kino the shit out of everyone just natural - i only use the subte ways described above if i have a hard time with a girl.

Confidence always works... That's how life works out - if you ask other guys on how to kino then your being insecure MEANING you are asking before trying out.
Don't fear the trail error process because that process is what frees us from social conditioning.

general social conditioning tells us it isn't cool to touch someone unless we are dancing.
PUA social conditioning tells us we should use a method for some succesfull kino

the truth is both are a lack of confidence , lacking confidence to step out of social expectations and conditioning.
that's why i often touch without any method.. im just confident to touch people ( even strangers ) because that's part of my reality.
Therefore you can say im opposing my reality(on) to others, or im sticking to my reality and way of thinking. ( being natural )
the second myth is that people are uncomfortable with being touched, actually being touched is a good feeling. If you go to a massage-therapist you like being massaged and touched, every girl like to be touched as long your not telegraphing sexual interest.... The massage-therapist isn't telegraphing (sexual)interest either.

Girls like it when you grab their hair ( or pull it slightly, not hard), or massaging them. Girls go out to meet guys... so we can conclude they want to be touched.
if you're insecure and don't have the confidence to touch anyone - just visualize this : what if a girl ( even the ugliest girl ever) walk up to you and touches you and/or gives you a neck massage ? it feels good....
you have also chicks that reject your kino while they have 3 one night stands with other guys. girls like those want to be touched but don't want to look slutty in a public venue - it's not personal.

Cock blocks and friends non-direct kino slightly decreases the chance of getting cockblocked but when you're not isolated it's hard to K-close. i recommend to Kino everyone including the targets friends ( kiss on cheek), K-closing girls with their friends around... who cares...if the girl wants to kiss you you kiss her - you can deal with her friends later.
i once isolated a girl by using a curtain in a venue - you can use locking items like hats and goggles BUT you also have isolating items.
It could be curtains, doors or sets of people on the dancefloor. You can use those to separate the target from her social circle without leaving the venue.
'' being a sniper isn't the range.. it's the tactic to shoot from every range and stay undetected and well hidden''

just my 200 cents

PS. im sick of all these questions on '' how to kino ''... touching someone is the easiest thing to do ... you just walk up there and touch that person. If you can finger someone after 5 minutes it isn't because you're good with kino .. it's because the girl's slutty and she allows it, our neat religious church girl wouldn't allow this. Therefore it's all freestyle Calibration.

i hear people think '' why did i never come up with that ? '' .
Do you really think im a MPUA ? well im not, im just using my brains to come up with new stuff and that's what gives me my edge. il bet most of you have thousands of sarging hours, i only have about 100 hours of sarging because i don't have much time , BECAUSE of that i've developed my own natural way of sarging and create new ways that are more efficient ( to me). i just don't have time to read various methods so i created my own based on experience .. free from social conditioning ( thank god i've seen RSD blueprint after some time)

im not typing this post for fun only because im on a tight schedule and i don't have the time to type this - so my reply has some value to me and i recommend to make this a sticky/ collective thread.

peace

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oh shit bro this has potential to become a great thread, gonna read your stuff when I have time tomorrow!

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Sorry I couldn't read all that, but I have something to add. Kissing is easy, but it's exactly like a number close. It's easy if you don't get caught by the common misconceptions:

-Don't use a "routine"

-It should "just happen"/It should flow

-It's not 70/30 or whatever. The point is you should already be so close to her that it just merges in.

-You may realise you can get the k-close, and novice PUAs go for it and get it. But good PUAs leverage it; build the tension until it's insurmountable; make it meaningful; keep her coming back & wanting more. Like getting a number that you know will not flake.

-Again, like a number close, the kiss is completely irrelevant. It's everything you do up until then. This is why routines for k-closing are stupid. If you get a k-close from a routine, you might as well have spared yourself all the effort because you would have also got it without the routine. What causes a k-close is all the feelings of attraction & seduction. You should not be focusing on kissing, but on amping BT and horniness. Then it just gets to such a level that she can't hold back. Easy.

If you're thinking, it can't "just happen" and you need to "introduce" it somehow, you're doing it wrong; you need to make the interaction more sexual.

My "method" (or as close as you can get to a method, it's more natural) involves non-verbal pinging, but I don't want too many people to know so won't divulge it here .

Ipersonally think natural is better but for all you canned guys ;Routine is fine .. you can use routine until you have to be natural UNTIL you have to kiss.
The K-close is purely natural and is determined by the right timing and that depends on your calibration skill. Calibration and timing is always natural that's why naturals have better K-closing results.

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The keyword is VERBAL.

Don't use verbal kiss routines, like I said before, Too much emphasis on the kiss. It's needy.

i agree you should let it flow but sometimes its nice to have tips like these just to help us get along

Yeah that's right, this thread is something that 'new' people can use to get some ideas on how other PUA's / rAFC's handle their k-closes. That's why I would like some more input from other members!

Also some really good posts so far guys, thanks.

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