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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:46 am 
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I was going to write up a long post describing, in painstakingly detail, why MM sucks but my buddy over at another forum (which isn't allowed to be named here) already wrote up a simple post that somewhat covers the topic. here it is:
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PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AVOID ROUTINES, OPINION OPENERS, ETC!!!

They are bad for you on so many levels. Yes I know it's tempting to think of them as training wheels but they create so many bad habits!

1. Create button pusher mentality
2. Create the belief that you need to 'do something' in order to create attraction in a woman
3. Take your focus away from where it should be (having a good time, connecting with people, escalating)

You don't need to be some social alpha god to get laid! I promise you. Look if you want to be the best socialiser out there that's cool but don't think you need to have all these amazing skills in order to get laid.

See the issue I have with some of the advice give by other posters is that you somehow have to learn all these skills in order to progress... no you have all that you need inside you already... and I'm not talking as some kind of new-age hippy. I'm talking from a psychological / physiological view-point.
If anyone wants me to go more indepth just ask and I will.

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2. Create the belief that you need to 'do something' in order to create attraction in a woman
But you do have to do something . . .


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2. Create the belief that you need to 'do something' in order to create attraction in a woman
But you do have to do something . . .
No you don't. You simply just "be" a naturally attractive guy who's fun, charming, self amusing, confident, and highly sexual.

You dont have to do some routine or gimmick to create attraction, just BEING a cool guy will do.

You don't have to neg her, you don't have to tell some DHV story, you just have to BE.

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2. Create the belief that you need to 'do something' in order to create attraction in a woman
But you do have to do something . . .
No you don't. You simply just "be" a naturally attractive guy who's fun, charming, self amusing, confident, and highly sexual.

You dont have to do some routine or gimmick to create attraction, just BEING a cool guy will do.

You don't have to neg her, you don't have to tell some DHV story, you just have to BE.
AFC's don't know how to be attractive, charming and sexual. That's why MM is so useful, it helps make you attractive, charming and sexual.


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" No you don't. You simply just "be" a naturally attractive guy who's fun, charming, self amusing, confident, and highly sexual.

You dont have to do some routine or gimmick to create attraction, just BEING a cool guy will do.

You don't have to neg her, you don't have to tell some DHV story, you just have to BE. "

This is too generally said. What does it mean being Attractive? What's it like to be a cool guy? Without proper explanation such advice is useless. That's why Mystery brakes it down and explains every little detail. So that's why you feel overwhelmed.

Mystery's skill in pickup is second to no one. His method is kinda complicated, but if you don't push your brain to think a little, and practice actively, you'll never succeed.

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Different strokes for different folks. Not all guys are capable of being that "natural" guy, or at least not at first. If Mystery Method works for them, I say go for it. Personally it doesn't work because I always felt like I was entertaining women for their attention. Last time I looked I'm not a monkey there to perform tricks.


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Different strokes for different folks. Not all guys are capable of being that "natural" guy, or at least not at first. If Mystery Method works for them, I say go for it. Personally it doesn't work because I always felt like I was entertaining women for their attention. Last time I looked I'm not a monkey there to perform tricks.
Isn't every PUA supposed to do 90% of the talking initially? You do entertain one way or another. If you're boring no one would talk to you. Monkey? Common! Don't exaggerate! Simply change your routines man. You can think with your own head, not blindly use other people's stuff.

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There's a vast difference in conversing with another person, and doing magic tricks. If you're able to have a good conversation it's going to be 50/50, and no routine is required.


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I’m very curious about this topic and would love to hear more of your thoughts. I have watched several mpua videos and it seems like they believe they cant be themselves to get what they want. Some mpua’s seem completely fake and lost altogether.

On the other hand I agree that we psychologically and physiologically have everything it takes to get laid (but not by everyone). I believe that in evolution sex is an easy act but that the selection process is supposed to be overwhelmingly hard for finding a mate of equal value. I believe that what seduction techniques are doing is teaching short circuitry to all of the shit tests (those that come from women and those that come from us i.e. insecurities or judgments). All of those shit tests happen so that when we do have sex with someone; it’s someone we feel enough attraction and enough comfort that it could be a stable match. In the end we find someone of equal value. This does not mean equal looks but more the sum of important qualities looks/personality/status/confidence (explained in the book the rating game).

MM and seduction in general change the rules by making are values elevated to the point that our options increase. Personally I do have problems with negs but realize there are some women that won’t be attained without negs or enough social proof to raise your value.

It seems that clubs/bars/and even day gaming are all unnatural circumstances and that the only way to make it natural is by
1 being a natural (but based on percentage of naturals in the population naturals aren’t natural)
2 Using unnatural technology MM and seduction
3 Learning PU skills (things you wouldn’t do naturally) until you become a natural

Personally I think opinion openers and routines are good training wheels especially for afc’s myself included.

Please post more because I would like to know if most puas become fake and lost, or if it’s only those that rely on technology. And even better can it really be so easy as to be confident, outgoing and just have fun?

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MM is probably the first port of call for most people. The simple, and MAIN lesson MM brought to the mainstreams attention was you can get hot chicks and have fun even if you aren't Brad Pitt.

It's very easy to slag-off MM, but really what's the point? What do you learn? For sure analyse, de-construct, and have an opinion. But saying MM is rubbish full stop is short sighted. Yes it's old now, isn't as effective, and ideas have been developed but the slating of MM just makes everyone look like egotistical nobs.

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It's funny to see how people are already too caught up with "DOING" that they can't grasp the idea of just "BEING".

'oh noes, i need my lines, otherwise im not the cool guy anymore".

Also being SOCIAL doesn't get you laid.

everything MM talks about is SOCIAL stuff. It leaves little room to what matters, the SEXUAL stuff.

Getting sexual does get you laid.


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doing being blah blah

Mystery Method may be flawed. in fact I would go as far as to say I am very uncomfortable following any routine or method or advice now. Why?

Firstly, my brain keeps saying... your a fake . Your faking this.. you aren't interested in what this chick has to say. What's the potn of talking to her.

Secondly, while we're trying to learn how to get laid there are people out there doing fucking cool shit with their lives. Cool trips, experiences, jobs etc... and guess what? They STILL get laid!

That's the REAL lesson. That's what has come to me now. Literally I was watching some AFC Adam's videos, which are extremely good, but it occured to me. We're wasting our time lads . You can only get good at PU at the cost of EVERYTHING else.

The best way to meet cool and attractive chicks is to do cool shit anyway. I aint got time to waste setting up a lights and mix CDs... that's just freakin' lame! It's not different to peacocking in the lameness scale (tho pink fluffy hats make nights more fun )

what the fuck am I doing here? haha So I think i've had an epiphany. I shall call it Rhukkas Method. jokes... but this is my last post.... :) aint been here long, i reckon I coulda got quite good at this :)

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It's funny to see how people are already too caught up with "DOING" that they can't grasp the idea of just "BEING".
I agree with this %100. It is better to BE confident than to just act confident. But in order to get to certain stages you have to get past your inner AMOG's. For a lot of people it helps to have some good canned material to get past some fears. Myself included.

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Im tired of this freakin discussion...

I might risk repeating myself and if I do I humble raise my middle finger...

The game has a bad reputation, even among the PUAs. Among the girls it is something to avoid (that would never work on me). It is a trap, something to trick her into whatever. Among PUAs there are still people who agree. People who think that we use manipulative tricks and routines to lead her into our beds without her understanding what happened.

Im here to kill that once and for all.

First off, what is PUA? Is it a way to get girls? Yes
Is it a way to manipulate? No
Is it a way to be more social? Yes.
Ok we are missing the main point.
It is a path to self improvement.

Every single thing we do is done to raise confidence. You feel awkward talking to girls, voila, a routine. You suddenly have a script to stick to, you feel more confident.
You feel like it is wrong to do whatever you desire to do. Create an avatar that you can blame everything on. More confidence.
You feel that you look strange. You learn bodylanguage. More confidence.

The fact is that most people feel more confident if they have a checklist. If you can check all the boxes, if you can say, yes I did peacock, I have shaved, I project my voice, you will feel that you are prepared and you will feel more confident.

But in the end this is not what the game is all about.
A lot of people talk about inner game. I recently tried to explain the concept of inner game to a friend of mine. Her first reaction was "Oh, so that means routines you use to trick yourself?"
At first I told her that no, that is completely wrong but after careful consideration I have to admit that that is what most PUAs do. She was completely correct, that is what most PUAs believe that inner game is. That is why they never progress, that is why they quit before they get any good, bacause without real inner game training you are never gonna go beyond a certain level.

So what is my take on inner game. It is not tricking yourself into thinking that you are awsome like Ross Jefferies tries to tell us. It is not enough to act like we are confident, it is not even enough to have the mindset that we are awsome. If you are going around feeling that you are the greatest guy ever, if your confidence is shining like a supernova, if your posture says ALPHA MALE!!!!! It is still not real inner game. It is not enough.

Inner game is about self improvement. It is not painting over the holes in the wall, it is fixing them.
As you progress in the game one thing that you will notice is that your confidence level has increased (some see this as a side effect). I see it as the point.
We build strength and courage to deal with our inner weaknesses. We are all flawed, nobody is perfect. We all have issues.
In the game, we have been given numerous tools that we can use to deal with our own shortcomings. There are affirmations, NLP stuff, social training, adio material, videos, in field training etc etc. But that is not the most important tool. The most important tool is the balls we have grown. We have balls of solid rock (Robin Hood prince of thieves) and we dare to take on our own inner AMOGs. I use the word AMOG here because that is what it is. Some parts of our brain has us under its boot. There are things that we have learned, rules, situations we remember, issues. They are there for a reason, sometimes a good reason. (Not many of us will touch a hot plate again.) Sometimes the reason is bad, we got scared once and conect that bad situation with something that holds us back. Maybe our mothers told us off if we used bad language, guess what, we no longer have to care.
All of our mental AMOGs need to be defeated and understood. If we can build up enough courage to actually take them on and see our own patheticness (oh yes it hurts) we will grow. We will no longer be subjects to ridiculus preprogrammed behaviours that only hold us back.

Not many of us have reached that level. Most of us just build on top of that and bypass the problem. Hmmm Im afraid of this situation so Ill go around it. Guess what, it shows. Yes you are better than a loser but you are not yet as powerful as you could be.

The problem with people who does not kill their inner AMOGs is that they have to fight for their position. They rely on keeping up appearances and covering up their issues. These people are not free. You might even feel that it takes little or no effort to be the alpha male but deep down inside you know that you still have to do it. You actively have to be the alpha male. The concept of being an alpha male is always present in your mind. You are dodging the attacs of the inner AMOGs, hoping that they will not appear at the wrong time. You can not rest until they are truly defeated.

So you see, in the end, we have to become the person we want to be. We need to maximize our potential. We have a responsability to free our minds, to be the best person we can imagine. And when we are, we have to push it even further, the limits we thought we knew just went up even higher.

This all means that instead of faking a great life and using routines to show the things that we know attract girls, we can just aquire these things. If they are there they will show. We do not need routines to show things that are obvious. No need to use a preselection routine if you have a bunch of girls competing for your attention. No need to build social proof if you know a lot of guys in the club.

So, we are not supposed to be using routines, we are not supposed to fake it, we are supposed to make it. Routines and negs and all of that are just tools we use in order to progress to the level where we dont need them.

We are trying to become the best we can be, can anyone think that that is manipulative or wrong? We are not tricking anyone into thinking anything, not when we have gotten far enough.

Girls who say that the game will not work on them does not mean the real PUAs, they mean the crap that new PUAs throw at them. Routines, tricks, showmanship. A conartist. We are not conartists...

If a girl does not fall for real game, it means that she can not identify a truly awsome guy. That is what it means. She does not like good people, she does not feel attracted to an attractive male. Of course that is not what she means but that is the truth. If you wanna stay in the routine filled fog, if you wanna be one of those guys who still fakes it until they make it then feel free to do so.
On the other hand, if you wanna distinguish yourself and go beyond what you thought was possible then come along, its a bumpy ride but it is worth it.

We make it.

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Great post by Ezo.

The thing about routines is that it teaches people what to do in certain situations.

For a guy that has no idea how to be social, never has been social, it is a hard thing to understand. But these are often smart guys, but in systimatical way. If you have a guy that loves computer games, and is good at this. In the computer game if someone attacks you with attack nr1, defend with this kind of defence, and strike back with this kind of attack.

So it becomes something that is easier to understand for a guy that has no idea what to do. Something they can relate to. So everything that she throws at you, you know how to defend yourself. This relates to body language as well. Of course this is very mechanical, and not real, but it is something most can relate to.

And they get one liners, comebacks that are proven to work. And that gives them confidence to try them out. This gives them a platform to work from, but it's not going to work in the long run. They need to make it natural in order to make it for real. Sure canned lined can get you more success than you've had in the past, but it will only hinder you to grow into a genuine successful guy if you hold onto them for to long.

I'm only getting started at this, but this is how i look at it.


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