Not seen anything on this in the community.

Number closed a chick, asked for day 2, but she says she doesn’t date. Her game, is to invite 4 or so dudes out and watch them competing for her, I know this because she has invited me out.

So when I get there she will says like 2 words to me or will ignore me and give others just a little attention, so your just kind of standing there like a tool. That time and the other times I see her out I quickly just bounce cause it feels like im losing value.

We even had a conversation about it on the phone where she asked me why I bounced all the time & I told her I wasn’t going to be an orbitor & she laughed about it admitted the other guys were pathetic, but its pretty clear now if I want this girl she is going to make me go through her chodefest now probly cause I said I wouldn’t.

So the set up its her and her lesser attractive friend I also met and normally 6 or so dudes hanging around them she gives minimal attention to.

Not sure the best way to go about this. What you guys think, go when she gives me an inviting look to come talk (in the past she quickly ignores me though), go when shes least expecting it? Befriend the chodes, or ignore the other chodes totally? Go over and talk to her less attractive friend 1st who is into me as well? Need some plan to stand out.

What I’ve been leaning towards is go in when she least expect it, like even when shes talking to a dude & maybe looks bored, say something like "how are you" so the dude will think we are friends and just stand there until she talks to me and completely ignore the other chodes. If she ignores me call her on it?

PUAdave,

My first reaction is, why do you even want to deal with this girl? She sounds like a callous, manipulative, coquettish nightmare.

But, if you really want to game her -- for the challenge of it or whatever -- be sure to stick to your frame. You won't appear very coherent if, after saying you wouldn't play her orbiting-chodefest game, you now submit yourself yet again for it. (As a side note, I'm wondering why you've already attended several meetings.) In my view, you should not open wide for another helping of what she's slinging. And all of the scheming of your last two paragraphs is still just playing into her hand. Refuse to go, be coherent, and see if she comes to you. But if she wants to hang out with you, it'll have to be on other terms.

Hope this helps.

Ciornia

I shouldn't but its fun. She's always at the bar & it's been going on for weeks, and even when I ignore her she will do things like walk by and punch me playfully and smile. She knows how to suck dudes in.
very much, but I really think its an act and her persona to weed out weak dudes. I've even talked to her about that on the phone. She still claims says she's a bitch but I think its a front.
She does get me twisted up more than any other girl which is big part of the draw.
I made a mistake by telling her I knew her game, & I see her out weekly, sometimes she will look at me and do things like playfully give me the finger or seductive eyes like come over. Usually ill go over but I soon bounce.

tried pulling her over several times, she says two words and walks away.

Go with her, hang a bit, a game some girls not part of the group. If you create a jealousy plotline then she's come to you

Find another girl that doesn't want to play some sadastic game. Why are you wasting your time?

What Jav said lol.

Fuck girls who are going to play dumb games with me. There's far too many girls out there to get hung up on one girl, for me at least. Or game her as well as others, then at least you aren't at a loss.

Mirror her behavior, subtly and only towards her.

So you're placing an extra set of expectations on yourself in her eyes.
And failing to live up to them.

The Game is really a misnomer. It's only a game if you're fake and try to manipulate people rather than influence them. What she's doing is a petty, immature game. If she wants a real man -- which is a big if, since it seems that she just wants to elevate her own self-esteem by exerting control over these "chodes" -- she'll select someone who won't be pulled by her strings.

You're better than that, right? Exhibit it.

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Isn't this right about where you'd want to tell her, "Oh . . . too bad. Maybe next time. See you . . ."

There's plenty of wussy guys to entertain her. It doesn't seem like she needs a 6th.

I know this kind of girl, there was one back in the highschool I used to go to.

She always had a group of guys following her and she was constantly putting them through shit tests and also treating them like shit.

I was on her shit test boat for 1 week until I left realizing exactly what she was doing. Like said earlier, mirror what she is doing.

A lot of the reason I keep working this girl is it's different and a challenge. Pick up is kind of coming routine now, as far as approaching and getting attraction and a numbers and day 2's that's no problem. Which is why I like trying new openers and harder or different sets now. Just another reference experience to add and I like preparing for it again like i did when I first started.

I'm really just thinking I will ask her to come home with me completely serious and dead pan. It's still flirty enough theres a chance and Im sure I have been a lot different and stand out more than most of the guys she encounters already. I think she wants a dominant guy to just take her. If she gives me shit just be like, look ive asked you to hang out a couple times.

We've talked about her chodefest BTW. Basically its dudes that she thought were man loving material but that wimped out and that are wrapped around her finger now best I can tell. I also got her to admit she didn't like it but she has fun seeing how pathetic some people are. Exactly why I don't want to end up there and why she will try to make me. Just trying to figure out the best way to bring a strong frame and hold it.

I think this girl is a pain in the ass, like others have mentioned. However I don't think that should mean you don't try and game her. Nothing like a good challenge! And besides, you're a pick up artist, you decide who to date, not the girl.

Regarding how to pick her up, I think the route of the jealousy plot and disqualifying yourself would be the way to go. Make her chase you.

Keep us updated on you're progress with this chick PUAdave.

~Deebo

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Funny thing was when I FINALY got her number after weeks. I had pulled her over coming back from the bathroom, and she had her arms around me and this girl I had hit on the week before came over and tried to get my attention and cunt block her. This girl gives her the most visious fuck off stare I have ever seen and reaches in my pocket and pulled out my cell and typed her number in. So I kind of blew the other girl off.

About a minute later her friend game over and pulled her away, and she like gave me this seductive look and then stuck her hand in my face and pushed off as she rolled off. I could feel like a crazy chick push pull.

So when I called her and asked her out she said she didn't date blah blah, I was like well I guess I should have blown off the other girl. She was like "i don't know who the fuck your talking about"

That's what Im dealing with.

If you would have used my "Arm-Length Approach" for starters you would never end up in this situation. Check it out the-ultimate-truth-about-women-vt60694.html

And for right now, don't play her game make up your own, bring 15 girls to her chode party! They can be your friends or just girls you trick that it's a speed dating thing, you can probably find them on craigslist or some dating site if you don't have that many female connections. Have the girls pick up the other guys and all of a sudden it will be you and your target plus like 7 extra girls, and all of a sudden the game rules have changed, now you are the price! If she doesn't like it she has to leave and she can set up a real date!

Never ever let a girl take power! Again, read the post I linked!

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