Ok, I moved to outside DC about 3 months ago. Since then I've gone out on separte nights and, in this order, i've gone back to a woman's apartment and slept with her, gone home to a woman's apartment and fooled around, gotten a woman's number (she flaked), got another woman's number (i'm not calling), and last night, NOTHING....I could't not have scripted my night any worse than what happened.

First, my friend and I walk around Adams Morgan in DC (College area) checking out a couple bars. The first two ended up sucking (i.e. no women/dance floor). But my friend sparked up a quick conversation with these two girls at the second bar we went to, but he bumped his head on something and got embarassed, so he immediately bounced out (I would've played it off and laughed, but whatever...) Anyway, we then went to our usual bar/club, and run into the same women, so we spark up conversation.

I was talking to the one, trying to play the "Joking Asshole" by negging her and laughing with playful touch. But she actually got OFFENDED at a neg. Out of the middle of nowhere, she asked if we did weed. (I'm not sure where it came from...) But I was honest and told her that I'm much more of a beer drinker, and paused to think of a word that summed up my feelings for drugs and came up with "Childish." I didn't say it in a condesending or judging way, but she immediately got offended. I told her that I'm not judging, I have no room to judge with my tastes for beer, but it's just not my thing. But, I took this moment to try a new routine...

I told her that "insults" only offend you when You actually think that they're acutally true. I said "Here, watch this....You're a murderer. See? Not offended because it's not true. You watch kiddie porn. See? Not offended because it's not true. Doing weed is childish. Boom, you're offened. You clearly think that your doing weed is childish."

This is where it got bad. We continue our talking and drinking, each of us switching back and talking with our friends. As I was talking with my friend, he said something funny as I was drinking. I laughed, which resulted in BEER COMING OUT OF MY NOSE. The girls didn't see it yet. My face was covered in Booger Beer and I noticed that there was a dry bar rag on the bar next to us, so I quickly grabbed it, whiped myself up and tossed it back without the girls noticing. My friend asked if beer actually came out my nose, to which I said yes. I wasn't mad because it was funny since the girls didn't see.

One minute later he turns to his girl he was talking to and told her about what happened. They laughed hysterically. I immediately tried to change the subject and get the girls I was with to dance. She responded with "Oh, I'm a horrible dancer," which was the same response the gave me the last 2 times I asked her to dance. I said "Again with the 'i'm a horrible dancer.' Do you have an off switch with that?" I'm saying this while I'm laughing, of course. She gets offended again. Finally, I've given up on this girl. They go to "check their coats" and flake out on us.

So, we start looking around again, and find another group of girls to talk to.

He opens with asking her opinion (which I hear is normally a good way to open a set) about whether or not I should be embarassed in a situation like what had just happened. They chat it up, and her friend was closed off. I was tired and frustrated at the whole evening, so I just left to catch the metro back home.

What's your guys' opinions on what happened?


On a side note, I bought "Mystery Method" and am waiting for it to come in the mail. I'm going to read it before I go out to the bar again.

I read your heading and would advise taking a break from sarging. Go watch a movie, read some books, pick up a sport, travel. Get refreshed. Take a break.

A neg is not the same as an insult. It is a sort of backhanded compliment. If you're offending girls, you're not negging them, you're insulting them. Plus, most people who try to neg make the mistake of overdoing it. Negs are unnecessary; there are infinite ways to game women without employing them. But, assuming you decide to experiment with a gaming path that includes negging, be aware that even proper negs should be employed sparingly.

Also, try to be aware of the signals the girl is giving you. If you know you've just offended her, common sense alone -- not even to speak of PUA material -- should tell you it's not a good idea to continue "negging" her -- in your case, to continue making insulting comments.

There's a lot more I could say, but this is enough for now for you to process. Hope this helps, and good luck.

I completely understand what you're saying. The negs I was using were used sparingly and in a laughing manner. I was never seriously insulting her, but she decided to take it that way, even after I was telling her that I wasn't insulting her and stuff...

I dunno, maybe I actually over did it. I'll try to work on that nex time....

But what else would you like to say? I'm willing to try to process as muc has I can.