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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:43 am 
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Interesting concepts. While I have experienced that a woman's primary tool in romantic relations is her manipulation via physicality. I have never expanded that logic out as thoroughly as the author. I will have to sit in the quite and pause and consider this information and its incorporation.

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You have the right conclusion, but the completely wrong thought process brought you to it.

Relationships, especially the kind worth committing to, are not struggles for power, and most of the stuff women do that seems obviously fucked up to us they aren't even aware of on a conscious level.

Not everyone in the world is playing an angle to manipulate you. You can avoid the traps you outlined in your post just as easily by always being 100% true to yourself, something any man worth his salt should be doing all the time anyway. This also saves you from another, more insidious trap: adopting negative limiting beliefs about women.

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You have the right conclusion, but the completely wrong thought process brought you to it.

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Hmm not sure if you explicitly stated it but this thread sort of caused me to have a revelation.

So basically, women need control. Some might get control of you just by looking good, but some may need tools like letting you kiss her/touch her etc.

So if you keep refusing to give her control after all these steps, she will have to go to more and more desperate measures in order to gain tools she can use. Soon enough, when she realizes nothing will allow her to hold the reigns, she'll become desperate and do anything you want her to, allowing you to do the f-close or whatever else you want.

So for some women, the guy will salivate so much at just looking at her, that hanging out will allow her to manipulate him. But if you don't let yourself be manipulated, before you know it, youll be getting kisses, bjs etc...


I hope this wasn't to redundant but this is how I interpreted your thread, which for the first time really solidified the idea of why you need to stay in control.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:13 am 
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Part of the problem is that you write this in section 1:
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The one thing I have learned about keeping women interested and intrigued by you for as long as you please, is to win the struggle of power! The Struggle of power is something that women do everyday, all the time, with every interaction they have with a man....they manipulate you to gain the power in the relationship you have with her, no matter the type of relationship.
And then you retreat to this position later:
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you have to realize that there are different types of relationships and this does NOT cover all of them....if you are looking for a serious long term relationship, then NO, this theory is not really for you.


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Part of the problem is that you write this in section 1:
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The one thing I have learned about keeping women interested and intrigued by you for as long as you please, is to win the struggle of power! The Struggle of power is something that women do everyday, all the time, with every interaction they have with a man....they manipulate you to gain the power in the relationship you have with her, no matter the type of relationship.
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you have to realize that there are different types of relationships and this does NOT cover all of them....if you are looking for a serious long term relationship, then NO, this theory is not really for you.
Either you wrote this post to mess with me, or you just don't get it :)

Ok, so let me rephrase, in about 98% of all the relationships (of various types) I have been in or observed I stand by my first statement!
It is the other very rare 2% when two people are an actual perfect match and the relationship is built on love and mutual respect that I stand by my second statement. I apologize if I sound negative about the chances of finding the perfect relationship, but I can only speak from my own experience.

However, like I mentioned in the first statement you quoted above, you can get a good, healthy long term relationship even if you use the "Arm-Length Approach" I've done it myself and I have seen it done by other people. This is why I introduced the piece about how you slowly turn off your "Arm-length Approach".

And just to finish this up, I must say I'm a little surprised how many of the responders chose to focus on the relationship part of this post.
I didn't post this in the relationship section far as I remember and my guess was that most guys on this forum came here for a little more action in their life :wink: rather than to find the woman of their dreams.

At the moment I'm in a phase of my life where I am not looking for a relationship, and this approach has turned out to be extremely efficient for causal sex and short term relationships.

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Either you wrote this post to mess with me, or you just don't get it :)
Really? Are those the only two possibilities you might envision? :)


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No its not, Disagree. If you think that relationships are power struggle then you are highly mistaken and I doubt whether you have been in true long relationships. The push and pull part of your post is fine but your first 2 posts on reasoning is a mis conception, you are making it hard on yourself.
As much as I agree with all the guys here who choose to believe in love, mutual devotion and sharing etc, (Hobbit, 870 etc) you have to realize that there are different types of relationships and this does NOT cover all of them.

First off to answer Marc, my longest relationship was 5yrs, it was never a struggle of power, we clicked from the first night, moved in together after 5months and our whole relationship was based on love and mutual respect for each other.

However, this post was aimed for a guy wanting to get it on with ANY girl. See, the relationships without any power struggle and without any issues of this sort are rare, it is not something you can "artificially" create, it has to be there.
The "Arm-Length Approach" is made to win over any girl that you meet in any situation, mostly this should be used to get short term sex partners, that's what most guys who seek out forums like this are looking for anyways.
In the end of my post I presented a way to remove the "Arm-Length" in case feeling are evolved and you wish to build a relationship based on mutual devotion instead of just her devotion.

Of course those kind of relationships where things just "click" instantly are better, and if you are looking for a serious long term relationship, then NO, this theory is not really for you.
When/if I meet a girl that I feel I really want a long term relationship with I don't involve my pick up skills, things like that should be natural.

Have faith people, love comes to those who seek it! And plenty of pointless sex comes to those who master the "Arm-Length Approach"!

Now here it think skywalker is right and has explained his rules clearly !!

This type of game is for the guys who want any girl !!

If you are an average looking guy, how can you get that HB10 without a power struggle or manipulation ??
the truth is you can't, HB10's consider themselves to be worthy of the top notch guys, by both physically and personality.

There can't be a thing like "we clicked from the first day onwards" like thing, HB10 will not allow you to even come close to her as they got pretty high bitch shield !!

I'm an average looking guy and have experience this !!

No power struggle relationships happens when the girl and boy are of same level and the boy conveys sufficient S+R value to the girl naturally !!!

these S+R values for the HB10's are way out of the charts so got to use these techniques !!


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Ive found a good way to avoid getting played out is to establish urself within a social circle as a high value figure.. girls act way more submissive and only the really alpha ones will even stand a chance at manipulating u but at that point, things like negs and iod's take u much further because of ur value...


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An exciting post.

I believe slywalker has posted the best thread yet on here.

And i don't go much on some of the comments from the more enlightened on here.

Firstly, Slywalker is Spot on about you are better of being on your own than being manipulated by a women. PERIOD.

And secondly WOMEN will manipulate you, ALWAYS.

They can't wait to try and tame the wild alpha man that you are.
And when they have succeeded, bye bye. They don't love you anymore. ha ha

I think what Slywalker points this out extremely well here, it is not to give in to womens every need.
1 in 3

Works for me.

However, sometimes you just can't win here.

Why......... Because women want that ALPHA man, but hey also want to control him at the same time.

The more enlightened women know this is the wrong thing to do and end relationships because they would rather see you happy and free out and about banging every women you want driving your sports car than being this sad doormat figure that they have turned you into. Or tried to.

Good post Slywalker.

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This is why I clench my fist towards the sky and roar: “Pussy has no power over me” I rather live in celibacy than having bitches toy with me!
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An exciting post.

I believe slywalker has posted the best thread yet on here.

And i don't go much on some of the comments from the more enlightened on here.

Firstly, Slywalker is Spot on about you are better of being on your own than being manipulated by a women. PERIOD.

And secondly WOMEN will manipulate you, ALWAYS.

They can't wait to try and tame the wild alpha man that you are.
And when they have succeeded, bye bye. They don't love you anymore. ha ha

I think what Slywalker points this out extremely well here, it is not to give in to womens every need.
1 in 3

Works for me.

However, sometimes you just can't win here.

Why......... Because women want that ALPHA man, but hey also want to control him at the same time.

The more enlightened women know this is the wrong thing to do and end relationships because they would rather see you happy and free out and about banging every women you want driving your sports car than being this sad doormat figure that they have turned you into. Or tried to.

Good post Slywalker.

Geezer point awarded.
too much negativity man. I see what you are saying.

In relationships, some women do try to change you to turn you into something they think will be a better person/partner/husband/father/whatever. If they succeed, they loose interest, because they were attracted to that wild ALPHA/Betta/Gamma/ any Greek and non-greek letter/frat/sorority name male. As 870 pointed above all you gotta do is stay true to yourself. Simple and effective.

About average guys not getting HB10s. Every guy has different image of that perfect HB10. Don't let social conditioning get you. If she puts on a bitch-shield. Just ignore it. Not putting up with BS/staying unaffected-is crucial.

Life isn't a battle.

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Let me reply by making just one point.

I am 39 years old!

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Let me reply by making just one point.

I am a bitter 39 year old man who justifies his beliefs by via the fact that he's been bitter for a long time

Somewhat more accurate I feel.


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Even within a long term happy marriage, there is always power.

Do you know what makes a woman unhappy ? A guy that she can walk on. That is all about power.

You understand the pua concept of "supplication" ? That is about power.

Lets say you choose to ignore power in a relationship. I have done it, don't recommend it at all. That is the #1 thing that makes you an AFC in a relationship.

There seems to be a myth that you can pull out your bag o' tricks, or do your alpha male dance to get the woman, and then stop. Whatever you are doing to get her, you must keep going or else the sex will slack, and then the relationship will slack.

If you accept a concept like "don't supplicate", then by implication you accept the role of power in relationships. In a relationship there is only so much supplicating you can do. May sound strange but its a real thing, go ask your father or some older guy who has been there.


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I realize this is a bit of an older thread, but I was reading it a few days ago for the first time. I thought the arms length thing was a bit crazy.

Yesterday on St Patrick's day I got rather intoxicated and was chatting up this girl and for whatever drunken reason I would occasionally stick my arm out and tell her not to come any closer (sometimes having to back up to reclaim that distance).

Without getting specific, it worked... surprisingly.


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