I'm fairly new to sarging, but I don't think this has been addressed. Okay, I'm not an expert dancer, but I can swing dance fairly well. There's this bar in town that plays swing music every other weekend, and when I'm there no one is really dancing on the dance floor in front of the band, there might one old guy swinging his old lady around, but no one else. I see girl around the band looking like they want someone to swing them around, so I usually take a friend(pivot) out there and get down(think the dancing at the end of Swingers) As soon as the song is over, it almost never fails a girl comes up to me and asks if I would dance with her. So I dance with her for several songs, and mix in some fluff talk, but after awhile her legs give out and she needs to sit down. Usually I'll beable to go to her table and talk, but that's usually where it deadends for me. Any help would be appreciated.

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does anyone have an answer for this for hip hop dancing at like clubs and stuff??

While your dancing, scope for the woman who are eyeing you. Once you have a vague guess of who digs your dancing. Approach em.

I think dancing helps the DHV and shows lots of confidence in your abilities.

Thomas- You no doubt learned this in dance classes. The man's job is to lead, the women has to be led. Don't wait for her legs to give out to go to her table, if her legs get sour she's in pain, and bing with her will associate yourself with the pain, big NO!
You should quite the dance two or three songs in and ask her for a drink or a chat, lead her to the bar or table there you can proceed with a few routines and a close.

Chillz- The thing I like about hip-hop clubs is that you can skip routines almost completely. Not to be racist, but some of those black guys have so much confidence they can walk up to almost any girl in a club and start dancing dirty with them. That's the basic idea, act confident, approach and move to kino quickly, if you hit resistance lay back a little but continue. If you want to know how to dance just watch the other guys and copy some moves, as long as your shaking your ass a little it's called dancing.

Akumara- Dancing is a big DHV. chicks dig guys that know how to dance. Another interesting thing is that lots of dancers have very good body language because they need to maintain good posture. Quite a few times I was asked if I dance just because of the way I hold myself.
Guys, start taking some kind of dance lesson, not only will it improve your confidence in a club, you'll also have more opportunities to meet with girls. I'd say 70% of dance lessons are girls.

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The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

Thanks for the great advice White Rose and Akumara, that makes a lot of sense, I guess I shouldn't wear girls out so much, otherwise I can't have any fun "later" On a side note you are correct I took ballroom dancing in college and it does pay big time with DHV and getting girls to approach. I would recommend anyone to take a swing dance class, it's very easy to learn the jitterbug, and once you have it down you can break it out anywhere to really any song as long as you have rhythm, I've pulled it out in hip hop clubs, weddings, etc. Girls like to be swung around.

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Thomas Crown

This is completely off topic, but were you at Mezz Jelly last year?

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I recently learned how to dance. My "instructor" was a gay friend of mine who after impressing girls in a club with his dancing I demanded him to teach me (I paid him back by getting a HG8 f-close for him).
2 nights of going to the dance club (3-5 hours each dancing!) and my 3rd night out alone I was getting compliments on the dance floor from women.
Guys, I don't know if anyone's heard this before but women have a myth/belief that "A guy that can dance good is also good in bed".

I was gonna comment on how women think that if you can dance you are good in bed and if you can't, then you aren't, hehe, silly myths.

As for you thomas, you shouldn't let them take you to their table (unless they are alone of course). You need to be showing that you are an alpha male and take control of the situation and after only dancing a couple songs and showing how good you move and how fun you are, then you take her back to YOUR table, or to the bar or somewhere that you can isolate and escalate kino, while doing some more DHV and getting to know who she is. Dancing all night won't get you any sort of rapport going on aside from dancing, you need to show that you're a person in order for her to be interested in you.

I don't see anything wrong with going to her table and chilling there for a while. You can make a good impression on her friends as well.
This idea of alpha that some people have seems to be that you are the jerk that pulls the girl around by the wrist all night and then laughs at her when she falls down some steps and breaks her ankle.
Don't go overboard, be assertive, be outgoing and confident, but accept the fact that sometimes you will be taken out of your comfort zone, adapt to this when you do.

Ok that was slightly off topic.
Dance your arse off for a few songs then before she can get to complaining suggest going to grab a drink and then sitting down somewhere to have a chat.
I think the part of the whole process you need to work on is not your dancing or the dance floor or anything to do with being an expert swing cat! It's all about issues with your conversation. Patch those up and you will be the swinging, charming and fucking master of that place every second weekend!

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I was thinking about what you guys said on this topic and I was thinking about doing this next time:

HB: I love swing dancing, can you dance with me next?

Me: I don't normally give free dances, but I can give you a little taste.

After the first song ends:

Me: Okay, that's the end of your freebie, if you want another dance you're gonna have to at least buy me a drink.

From here I assume she'll want to keep dancing, most girls I dance with like to go for at least 3 songs. After that 3rd song I would probably say to the HB like "okay you owe me a drink" Then I'd take over to the bar and go from there. I was thinking about a couple negs to say during the dance or afterwards, something like "I thought only guys had two left feet, but don't worry I can make us both look good" or after she steps on my feet, which will definitely happen if they haven't taken any swing classes, "I think you just broke my toe" or "man I just shined these shoes yesterday" or

Me Have you taken dancing lessons?

HB No

Me Yeah I could tell, but I think I could teach you.

How's that sound? any suggestions?

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Sounds excellent Thomas, give her a good time and and then NEG the shit out of her, that should keep the ladies on their toes.

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The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

Sometimes I find saying I can teach you to dance to a girl too cocky. If you do try to teach them tho, I think you should focus less on actually teaching them something because you can't really teach much dancing in 5 minutes. Use it to kino and neg.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with a lot of what is being said. Don't neg or teach on the dance floor.

If she's a social dancer you're going to come across as rude and ignorant. In the social dance world (Swing, Blues, Tango, Salsa.. etc) it's actually a built in convention that you never teach or correct people while dancing. The only time you're allowed to say anything is if their dancing physically hurts, such as if it wrenches your shoulder the wrong way. This is true of guys and girls and there's even articles about it on dance halls official websites.
http://southbayfusion.com/index.cgi?v=0320s9m4&r=s9m1
http://therentparty.com/Guidelines/Etiquette/


If you are any sort of a decent dancer, that whole reason behind a neg dynamic goes out the window (at least while on the floor dancing) and you don't need to take her value down to match yours. That's faulty thinking because it assumes your perceived value as lower than hers. As everyone has said, dancing well is a huge DHV.

*Note: Go ahead and neg off the dance floor if you'd like. The thing is people, men and women, often don't feel that confident about their dancing, especially in relation to someone who is better at it than them. Once they're off the floor though, and you're back into normal conversation/game, you return to fairly normal dynamics except with a bit higher value than before. So if you need to neg, do it off the floor!

The objective of dancing is to make her feel GOOD about herself. If she's a complete beginner then go ahead and teach her enough of the basics that she can have a good dance with you, yet not so much as to overwhelm her. Be gentle, and kind, and humble about it. Mildly disqualify yourself saying you're an expert dancer but you'll try, and show her what you know. Then smile calmly as if to say "It's ok. You can trust me, I've got this. You're in safe hands"

Also.. the "myth" of people being good in bed if they're good dancers. I'm gonna go ahead and confirm that has been my personal experience. Girls I've been with pretty much fuck exactly the way they dance, you can feel how they're going to be by the way they relate to you on the dance floor. Several of my dancer friends agree (male and female)

I just realized this is a thread from 2007! I'm posting anyways because I hope some people will get value out of it, and it could re-open the discuss with a topic I'm personally fascinated by (having been hugely involved in social dance for a year, having read pickup literature for 4 years but never gotten involved in the sarging lifestyle)[/b]

hate to be a party pooper but the problem is swing dancing is like salsa, casino and all of this other old school dances that include the killer "COURTSHIP", if i were you i would change to a different type of dance were there is not the "COURTSHIP" element involve...With that being said, your swing dancing gives you a lot of dhv, and you need to run regular game in this scenario... In my upcoming book i advise against this type of dancing and salsa etc... Does not mean you can not hook up but you need to do regular game kind of, not dancefloor game...

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