Cultural Differences: a Factor or Imaginary Foe?



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:10 pm 
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In my 21 years of life I have had the privilege of being introduced to many different cultures through frequent travel, and exposure to the unique ethnic makeup of my home island of Saipan. I am currently attending university in the United States and thus travel frequently between the pacific islands and the U.S. mainland a well as to exotic locals in south east asia, Micronesia, Polynesia, and Melanesia. This travel experaince has given me the opportunity to practice the techniques and skills that the community so eagerly and earnestly employs on a wide variety of women far removed from those I encounter while at university. The results are quite varied.

I am new to the community and will let you know here and now that I am still far from a PUA. I am however a rather observant anthropologist. I am the AFC that one would see purposely jotting down notes in the corner of the room studying the “mating” habits of my own species. I have even gone to the ridiculous lengths of setting up recording devices to capture the conversations of highly effective males at my highschools. Only recently have I had the courage to begin to employ the techniques that I have witnessed first hand as well as those ascertained from the wealth of knowledge that our community shares online.

Recently I have come upon the idea that the techniques and tools that are readily used by many different schools of thought, mystery method, speed seduction, double your dating, and so on and so forth are strongly Eurocentric. Or in other words cater to western women or women from eastern countries that enjoy a healthy amount of western influence such as Japan, Taiwan, China, and Korea.

The core aspects of alpha male characteristics such as confidence, cockiness, humor, and such are still applicable and effective in less westernized societies but I find the routines and canned material far less fruitful. (even when translated into the local language) I have come to enjoy the use of the cube immensely while sarging in the United States or Japan but have abysmal luck with it in other areas such as the rural areas of the Philippines, or with the local women of my islands. Some women have gone so far to say that I am like an immature child for asking them nonsense questions about rooms with ladders and cubes in it. Similarly Peacocking seems to mark you as a “nutcase” rather than a man of interest in these regions. Furthermore, simple magic tricks meant to DHV seem to have the opposite effect, women seem to become frightened by these cheap parlor tricks and I often times find myself teaching them the trick just so that I am no longer viewed as an individual who possess dark powers. The ESP trick of having them think of a number between 1-10 is almost always “not” 7 and when calling out a girl on silly tricks such as the “I bet I can make you say black” games tend to also have limited success. It is rather ridiculous, and disheartening to see techniques normally successful in the U.S. fall from grace when abroad.

Anyways this post is starting to become a long winded list of my failures which is not my intention. What I really wanted was to bring to the community’s attention my personal realization that the community may be overlooking certain aspects of the game when we adopt the motto: “what works for western women will work for all others.” I am sure that gurus would have little trouble amending the problems that I have encountered in my travels as an AFC, but perhaps it is time to start developing particular techniques that take into considerations the cultural difference of women from other parts of the world. Women from exotic tropical islands, from under developed nations such as Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos, Indonesian beauties and so on and so forth for these women are well worth the effort.

Perhaps I am making a lot of noise over something that isn’t really even an issue. Perhaps my failures are my own and have nothing to do with cultural differences. But still I thought this might be a topic for discussion. Are there others out there who have encountered similar issues?

Inquisitively concerned,

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:15 pm 
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Seduction is largely a social interaction.

It's inevitable that a factor like cultural differences will affect this in one way or another.


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I like this post. I'd be curious to know more about the differences between foreign girls, PM me if you think it's digressing from the thrust of this thread. I think it's good you've tried to learn the methods from scratch rather than accept the stuff at face value you read on the net, although, I think you can agree, this does sound a bit silly:
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I have even gone to the ridiculous lengths of setting up recording devices to capture the conversations of highly effective males at my highschools.
Hehe :D.

It's obvious that the most well-known methods are eurocentric given their creators.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:19 pm 
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What Fin said. There've been plenty of psychological studies that show this.

Most obvious example: you don't game in a woman in a burkha by going direct!


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So I am back in the U.S. mainland after about a month of gaming in the Pacific Islands. Not the most productive month in terms of closes but definitely a valuable learning experience.
If I can offer one piece of advise to guys who find themselves attempting to game women in the Philippines, Japan and girls from the Pacific Islands it would be to adopt the mindset of chivalry. In these highly male dominated cultures the average female is used to assuming an almost second class citizen position. Men in these cultures are for the most part cocky, and serious and this is what women expect from men who hit on them. I found that I stood out the most when being cocky, funny, and excessively chivalrous. Offering to pay for dinner, opening doors, helping them in and out of cars and such was an effective mindset. These foreign women are not used to this sort of SPAM and thus find themselves drawn to it. I know this flies in the face of what a lot of PUA's would do in western cultures, and I never do such while in the United States, but have had luck with it while in the Pacific.

Any other PUA's from this region have similar results? Or anyone from other countries have tips for the wandering PUA?

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^Ah, that's very interesting, I'll bare that in mind when I go tour.


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