Then probably your only opinion of Durden comes out of The Game. If this is the case, don't feel bad. RSD material was the last major school of material I read because of this, main just because I had ran of of material from the major guru's.

My opnion is 180 now. He's the best IMO. You really should watch Blueprint & judge yourself. Even if he was the character he was portrayed as in the game, he is a lot more enlightened now & the material they have goes beyond just pick up for me now.

This sounds really contradictive to me. Isn't seduction an attraction building process?

I'd say there's no point really, sex with a girl that has the hots for you is *way* better than with one that just had nothing better to do.

turning the girl on is the fun part... and great sex is your reward for doing so

If there is no attraction, girl probably won't be coming over a 2nd time... I have a buddy who gets laid all the time (through persistence), but has problems getting the girls to come back and see him again, even if she enjoyed the sex.

I think your buddys problem os not with attraction, he should focus more on trying to establish connection and building lasting correspondance with people.

And allowing girls to see him not just as a penis to hold but also as a lover or friend.

I'm brand new and have a lot of reading ahead of me, but I'm interested in the idea of Natural game. However, somewhere on here I read it's not necessarily the right thing for newbies.

Would anyone recommend this book for AFC/newbies? Or just natural game in general for newbies?

yeah dude, totally

this book is supposed to be for any level, and different levels take different lessons from it, according to the author

Great. I think I'll pick it up after I finish reading The Game and see what Natural Game is all about.

You mention one of the bonus books as Objection Game, but I'm not sure if that's included anymore. If you scroll down and see all that's included there is a picture of the book, Objection Game, but the list of included items is...

# The Attraction Code Ebook
# No Flakes!
# DiCarlo Escalation Ladder, 2nd Ed.
# Secrets of Sexual Tension
# A FREE Chapter of "Get Your Girl Back"
# One Month FREE Membership to Vin's Mastermind - Valued at $67

However, if you scroll further to the secure order form it has a different list of included items where Objection Game is mentioned...

* The Attraction Code eBook – The official authority ebook on dating and attraction

* Four (4) Bonus eBooks – Get all the basic tools you need with The DiCarlo Escalation Ladder 2nd Edition, The NoFlakes Ebook, The Secrets of Sexual Tension, and Objection Game

* Free 30 Minute Coaching Call – Get 30 minutes on the phone with a certified trainer, who will personally help you overcome specific challenges you may have with meeting, dating and attracting women


So I'm not sure which is current and correct.

I just ordered it now. I haven't read a single page yet, but just wanted to clear up what comes with it because of my previous post and the discrepancies on the sales page.

It comes with...

The Attraction Code
Objection Game
No Flakes
Escalation Ladder
Secrets of Sexual Tension
Get Your Girl Back - Sample Chapter
One free month in the Mastermind Program ($67 per month after that, if you don't cancel)
30 Minute Coaching Call


Now I'm off to download the material and start reading.

ETA: Forgot to mention. When on the sales page a popup asking if you want to talk to a sales associate may come up. Usually I only click on those after I've read some and may have some questions. However, this time I clicked it right away. It's not a real sales associate, just a robot, but by clicking it you do get $10 off the order.

The Vin DiCarlo email disclaimer is the same one as the David DeAngelo disclaimer.

DiCarlo is supposed to be the "bad boy" version of deangelo - probably just a franchise of DDPublishing.

Here's the fine print - it's "entertainment".

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I've just speed read/skimmed The Attraction Code and I think 'natural' game is more my style. I think Carlos Xuma is better overall and explains things clearly. I did like the point that Vin makes about changing focus is key rather than countless approaches to reduce AA. I think Attraction Code does slip into a promotion of his bootcamps - but they seem useful - I'm close to considering one!