No you don't.

It's hyperbole Kasabi, I thought you'd understand that at the least.

Hitting and killing causes harm. They are intentional acts of harm and often people try to displace the responsibilities by passing the buck and accepting an agentic state of operation.

I know you have a background in psych and autonomous and agentic mindsets is a fiarly common concept so this is another thing that I am assuming you are familiar with.

Sex can be utterly devoid of any meaning outside of pleasure and fun. That's great and there is nothing wrong with that. But sex also can be a massive fucking deal with the chemicals released inducing emotions of attatchment. Sex can have powerful effects.

And I consider the wilful neglegence of the negative consequences to be a harmful act. Which has been passivly permitted to go on just so some arsehole can get his orgasm and amidst a shit strom which he could of clearly avoided the girls head fucked over condom still hanging on his dick look up and with his apologetic little face explain "I'm just a guy, it's what we do"



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I'm going to agree with you, it is hard predicting what people want, most of the time individuals are uncertain of what they want.

But that does not warrant a "fuck it" policy towards social interactions.

An example which sticks to mind is a girl who last year had been going through shit with a guy she had her heart set on and him likewise. Yet thanks to some distance she had fucked up and gotten involved with this local player, she was also getting confused becuae she was beginning to have feelings for me.

I was on track heading for a close. When I had talked to her friend and heard about this story, I pulled out of it.

The girl was confused and had shit going on, she was getting attatched to everyone, she didn't need another dick to suck to complicate affairs she needed to get her priorities sorted and I honestly hope she has.



She had strong feelings for our player but she was still intent on the other guy... IMO she did not need me getting involved to.

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Now I could have been wrong, maybe their would be no bad affect. Reading people and thinking about what is right is hard. Thats why so many of us fuck up when we do the right "thing". It's not anyones job to do the right thing, but it's a good trait to at least try.

Now statistically speaking the girl we are talking about may of just ended up in another bunch of problems.

And it is most likely, becuase these problems and affairs riddle the world. We cannot escape them. Again you are familiar with the first noble truth?

But, if we were to go to a warzone, where the chances of survival were drastically low, and just shot a soldier or a civilian because we thought he might be a threat to us. Then justified the killing also by saying "Well statistically it was going to happen to him anyway...."

Should the statistical chance of something happening to someone be a factor in considering how ethical an action is.

If a kid grows up in a neighbour hood where drugs are rife, is it more moral to get him addicted to Heroin for monetary purposes than a kid who is not likely to get involved in drugs.

(I'm not saying this is what you advocate, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in suggesting that the fact that it happens, is justification for doing it anyway.)

I am aware that you find the prospect that someone may "Know" what is good for someone. Or feel that they are the saviour of women, improving their lives.

Both these idea's settle un-easily with me aswell, but are you able to re-concile with the notion that the consequences of an action should be taken into consideration? Not neccessarily a cover-all-options consideration, but a look at how you may think something may turn out?

Is there room in your philosophy for that?

This is a Great Discussion. ON one end we have Kasabi who insists that the girl makes the choice of what is good for her and whats not and you do not have the expertise or have any license to tell her what is good for her.

And on the other end Fin comments that one should act responsibly and even if you have an iota of doubt that the girl is probably feeling pressured or may have a buyer's remorse than you should back off.

I have to say that I am with Fin on this one.
Eg. 1) If a 40yr old Uncle is getting his dick sucked by a 19 yr old niece you are saying he should think "Its Okay she would tell me if she doesn't want to go through with it, she is rational and can make that choice". But what about the fact that may be she is doing it because she fears humiliation from family, may she she thinks that she wouldn't be supported or trusted by others if she raises figure on this Uncle who probably is an Autority figure in the House.

Eg. 2) What about a woman who has to sleep with her boss so that she can keep her job and pay house rent and raise her two kids. Is the boss supposed to think "ITs Okay because she would have objected if she didn't want to have sex with me "

Eg. 3) What about now gaming a married woman whoes husband is fighting for the country. Is a PUA suppose game her and think " Its OKay to fuck her and make her cum tick-tak because I'm doing a service to her while her husband is away fighting for my country. Because if she is rational and she would have said no if she didn't want to sleep with me. Who cares about the husband and how he feels, who cares about their relationship getting wrecked, its not my problem !!"

Kasabi are you saying that One needs Phd in phychology to figure out that they may be taking advantage of someone who is vulnerable, someone who is SHARING SEX because they feel OBLIGATED or someone who is emotionally disturbed at this point. Its not about Morals or Ethics, not about being a shrink but are we SOO programed as Robots that we can't sense or feel that someone may be vulnerable, that someone may be suffering from Low Self Esteem or someone is emotionally distrubed and hence we too own the responsibility of our actions and not go through with it (in this case SHARE SEX, in your words) !!!

Nice argument what are you still in primary school

If she wants to be part of my life she should do with her life what I want or fuck off. And it goes the same way around.

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marc,

In my initial reply, I wrote something to the effect of, "Be the best person you can be . . . "

Being a 40 year old molester . . . (Does this sound like he is being the best person he can be?)

Sneaking around and targeting lonely married women . . . (Does this sound like the "best" you can be?)

We're not at "opposite ends". We're very close. We're trying to do some good in the World right? But at the same time, I'd have to say that the philosophy that drive us are at opposite ends. Most of the posters hold a "missionary" philosophy. They "feel" they know what's good for another and then they PUSH, PULL, YANK others towards what they feel is right.

How about just letting them be? How about just allowing them to govern their own souls? You don't fuck a girl FOR her just as you don't pull your pants up FOR her. You do either of these things for YOURSELF.
And you know this because . . .? Oprah show? Latest article in a fashion magazine? The psych meds in her medicine cabinet? What your 7th grade social studies teacher told you? Are you seriously saying that a woman who does this is "IRRATIONAL"? According to who? USA social standards? To your high level of morality?


I'm saying that not even a person with all the "qualifications" can figure out what is RIGHT or WRONG for another person. Check out this website:

http://www.cchr.org/

On the other hand, all it takes is some mindfulness and responsibility for one's self to make harmonious decisions.

^Sounds very similar to the philosophy honored by these talented people:

Yeah... you're still in primary school. joke man;)))



Well if you dont see it this way, you're not that good of a pickup artist obviously.
No offense, I'm just honest.

A good PUA can get a girl so he doesnt have to tolerate ANY bullshit or any lowvalue behaviour form girls.

What the fuck do you think a girl would do to you? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you think a HB10 would tell you nicely why she doesnt like you????
She will tell you ''FUCK OFF'' if you're not goodlooking enough or not enough highvalue. And she wont even blink while doing this.

And yes...my life isnt a democracy. It's a dictature.

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First thing first:
STOP PERSONAL ATTACKS ON EACHOTHER! or I will have to moderate your posts and stuff


I think the whole argument of should you decide if its the right thing for her/ not give a damn as long as you get laid comes down to one thing; will you give a shit about it a week later.

You cannot impose morals on people, some people would have no problem having sex with a woman who is mentally unstable or drunk off her face as long as she was up for it at the time.

Other people however will feel uncomfortable that the woman might regret what she did when she is in a different state of mind.

Why is it OK in most people's minds to have sex with a girl who has had enough to drink to be stumbling around a little, but not OK once she can't even stand up even if both times she is telling you she wants it? More to the point, when is the moral line drawn that she isn't with it enough to make her own decision?

The problem with an argument like this is that it occurs in multiple different fields; another good one is euthanasia.
The reason they are so hard to agree on is that most people draw the line at a different point from the next.

What this all boils down to isn't that some people care about how the woman in this scenario will feel like more than others, it boils down to how THEY feel about themselves IF the woman feels bad.

I want you to catch a butterfly and make a thight fist around it till it dies. Would you do it?



Too bad I can't give you another -1 vote

Weird question. (since I cant call you weird)

No I probably wouldnt do it.

And yes stop personal attacks. It's just my opinion on this if you cant handle it that stop reading.

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Well relationship wise Prosp3ct I am going to give you some advice

I can see you don't want a human partner, i.e. someone who will challenge you, expect you to compromise and put investment into the relationship outside of just existing as an entity. This limits your choice somewhat, but hopefully my advice will help in finding you a spouse that you can settle well with.


Try going to your local Dog Kennel and finding a Golden Retriever, they look pretty, will do what you want if well trained, and are relitavely apathetic to whether or not you put much effort in the relationship (and if you let them they will go for your crotch now and again.)

Alternatively, if dogs aren't your style and you want a human who has lost most of their autonomy.. you might want to stop hasttling yourself with all the complexities of this website and try this website instead -->http://www.singlebrides.com/

Translation: The only girls who will actually be willing to live a life in which they are never allowed to do something which you disagree with, are barely worth even shaking hands with.

Really? If this is true Prosp3ct then I have been meeting some truly strange, attractive women, becuase in my part of the world they are largely normal human beings, i.e. women.

But then again Scotland is a strange place, men wear skirts and consider sheeps intestines to be "gourmet". So it may be that my experiences in finding nice attractive girls in the same ratio as nice un-attractive girls is skewed by the fact that I live in such a topsy turvey part of the world. It could well be that in the rest of the world having attractive women consistently reject you by screaming "fuck off!" is the standard norm.

Again Scotland is really backwater so maybe normal nice attractive girls are just a weird phenomenon over here.

FINALLY YOU AGREE WITH ME! Also, did you know the average Scottish adult consumes the equivalent of 46 bottles of vodka a year according to a new report :O

I beleive it's whisky, and it's called a sunday afternoon with the family...

I dont understand your point fin but thanks for advice, appreciate it.


Like Madals said it's the problem with morals. Like I will never understand your point you will never understand mine. So dont bother.

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What Zip wrote sparked my interest. The past few girlfriends I've had all love the whole fantasy rape role play idea. being bent over a table panties ripped off, trying to fend you off yeah you get my point.... If you wanna spice of your otherwise mundane one minute missionary sex life test the waters find out if being rough with your girl turns her on.

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