I deal with this problem in the opposite way all the time. I'm 27, and beginning to border that line where dating women 18-20 is creepy. I still date 18-year-olds all the time.

Personally, I reframe it. I'm not too old for them, they're too young for me. If they're cool enough people, I'll make an exception for them, but they're going to have to work harder to prove they're cool than someone "in my age range." Same goes for older women. I'm not too young, they're too old; if they're cool enough people, I'll make an exception, but they're going to have to work harder to prove they're cool than someone "in my age range."

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Heh. I have the geekiest story imaginable for my nickname's origin. ^_^

When I was getting my cable hooked up back in 2001, I was getting internet for myself for the first time. The guy who was hooking it up needed a nickname for the account so that I could get my first e-mail account up and running.

Um... khansen?
Taken.
krishansen?
Taken.
kristofferhansen?
You'll never believe this, but even with a K and two Fs, taken.
Friggert? (my Hotmail e-mail address)
Taken.

So I'm looking around trying to figure out what the fuck I should call myself on the internet, and I see a pile of change that my roommate and I had put together for a slurpee run.

SlurpeeMoney?
Good, you're all set up.

So I kinda took that name and ran with it for a while. When I got involved in anime piracy rackets, I kept the name and called myself SlurpeeMoney on the chatrooms and forums and such. Most people read it wrong, though, and saw it as SlurpeeMonkey. Whenever shortening my name to something easier to type, they would call me Monkey. It eventually stuck, and the official shortening of "SlurpeeMoney," became "Monkey."

When I needed a handle for the pick-up community, I just took the one I was using from anime piracy.

Now, I think names have some level of power. You call something a thing, and it will shape itself to become that thing. I'm not typically over-the-top energetic, I don't fling poo, and I hardly ever eat ticks off of my partners. But I've focused on a vibe that is "fun, flirty and forward," that, in a lot of ways, does reflect the nickname. Is that a result of the nickname? Or an association I came up with after the vibe was defined? I have no idea. But to some extent, yes, I do have a monkey-like quality to my Game, in that I'm fun and play crazy games, I'm flirty and willing to pander to the crowd, and I'm forward like a caveman. ^_^

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Anime piracy is pretty geeky. Interesting story.

And on a side note, if you've ever seen Tenchi Muyo, he's pretty pimp. So in some six plus degrees of separation, it does fit the PUA style.

Ok, so I think I have a question that will apply to at least a few of us here. I went for a run today and it dawned on me, that every time I go out, I have attractive women pay some sort of attention to me. I'm not sure all of the attention would be classified as IOIs, but, its attention none the less, and thus would be ideal for some sort of approach.
MY question:
What's a good way to approach while in the middle of running?
a)I'm already moving and stopping for her would lower value.
b)I'm usually sweaty and probably out of breath (depending on where I am in my run)
c) This has also got to be relevant for the gym, where of course there are tons of HBs everytime I'm there. But I don't know how to interupt if they are listening to their Ipod or in the middle of a work out.

An advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
H.A.D.

I'm going to be honest here and say that I'm probably not the best person in the world to answer this question. I don't work out much. Yes, yes, I know that I should be more active. Yes, I am sure that working out will make me happier, more energetic, and make me better in the bedroom. I understand the benefits of it. I just don't. Because I'm lazy.

If I were to make up a way on the spot (which I am doing), it would probably be something akin to stopping, acting more exhausted than I feel (or, if it was actually me, acting exactly as exhausted as I would feel...) and saying something along the lines of "Oh man, I just totally lapped you. I'm so going to win this."

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hahaha that shit is money!

Honestly, it is! Never heard of Monkey before, but the guy's making some of the best posts I've seen on my short period here on the forums, and all that in one topic. Plus his sense of humor is awesome.

Thanks guys. I try. ^_^

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This is great Monkey, you're really helping a lot of people, including me.

I've got a question for you about the dreaded friend zone... cue dramatic music.

I've looked on these forums before for a solution as to how to game girls who you've known for a good 4 - 5 years, at least. The sort of solutions I've found have been to remodel yourself in a way; to detach yourself from her for a good while and then come back a new, attractive alpha.

Another common answer I've found is to escalate the kino to a sexual level. However with some of my girl friends, kino is something they have become accustomed to with me, and it wont seem sexual no matter what I do.

Which one of these techniques do you think would be most effective? If neither, what technique(s) do you suggest?

Thanks in advance,

~Deebo

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I'm a proponent of the first line of thought, myself. I've found that the latter has a few very key problems associated with it, and they're not actually the problem you've described.

If you've been friends with a girl for a long time, they're probably used to certain kinds of kino from you: pushing them, batting them around a bit, playful shoulder checks and the like. What they are _not_ accustomed to is anything in the realm of sexual, so moving into a sexual place with your kino is likely to cause a disconnect. Escalation through to anything resembling a sexual frame, either through touch or through SOIs comes off as very... different from her usual expectations of your behavior.

You have a social contract with your friends. That social contract suggests that you should not be sexual with one another (at least, the commonly assumed social contract with friends is such). To change that requires a change in the social contract which means either hefty re-negotiation or some some tricksy escalation work that I'm not really all that comfortable with.

The first approach to getting the LJBF girl is better, but comes with it's pitfalls. It comes with _fewer_ pitfalls, however. The only one left is the Big One: you've got to be willing to lose her friendship to gain the relationship.

Now, as I've said before, I'm not really down with the whole Alpha Mentality. I don't think it's The Perfect Way. It's a Good Way, but it doesn't attract all women all the time. What you need to be able to show her is a new you.

Seperate yourself from her for a bit. The length of time is dependant on how often you see one another; if it's every day, go a week or three. If it's every other week, a month or two would be fine. This is, of course, assuming that you're good friends and no amount of time apart is going to adversely affect your relationship.

Change some things about yourself. Get some new clothes, a haircut that isn't what you'd normally wear, some jewelry, anything to set yourself apart from the guy she's been friends with for years. This is important because it gives her a chance to re-evaluate you as a man, it's a cue that something is different, and she'll be receptive to other things that are also new and different (such as: dating you).

Go someplace new. A new setting, a new you, a new situation. Make sure it's somewhere public so that if she rejects you and you end a three-year friendship, you will be less inclined to cry like a small child. At least, you'll wait until you get home.

Then you need to be up front about it. If you're into NLP at all, a pattern break is a perfect way to introduce the scary new topic of "I think we should date." And seriously, you need to make it that specific. "I think we should date," not "So I kinda like you and I was thinking we could maybe go out once or twice if you're into it, but if you're not really feeling it we could just stay friends or whatever, but I do really like you a lot and stuff..."

Whatever her objections are, use them as a reason you two should be dating. If all goes well, she'll agree to a date, and you can move from there with the full social contract of "dating" to guide your actions. If it all goes to hell, she'll probably leave, and you won't have that problem to deal with anymore.

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Great advice, thanks Monkey, I'll definitely be trying out your suggestions.

~Deebo

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Great Advice Monkey!

I was wandering if you could hook us up with a link or two to a PUA ingame video that was really helpful, or any video for that matter =P,

Thanks,

-SM

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The only video I've ever watched that I felt really helped my game was not for the reasons people might normally think. It was one of Mystery's videos, and in it he and Matador go to a rather large party and he hits on a girl, and he's interrupted by a couple of chodes. I don't think I watched the whole thing through even, when I realized "His performance here is kinda... meh..."

We've all seen him at work. Most of us have seen the best in the business doing their magic, and a lot of times, the videos show them at the top of their game. They're not going to post videos of getting blown out three or four times in a row. I think it's pretty important to realize that the very best pick-up artists in the world aren't that much better than a lot of the people here. The difference mostly comes from marketing.

Some of the instructional videos I've seen are decent tools. I've seen a few Juggler seminars that were quite helpful to me, personally. Annihilation Method gave me a few new tools to play with. Some of Mystery's seminar videos are good, but the technology in them is getting dated. The RSD Blueprint videos are full of good information, though I've always felt that Tyler Durden's teaching leaves something to be desired. For in-field stuff, I love watching Keys to the VIP and trying some of the contestants' stuff in the field (especially the stuff that fails) and see if I can't find a way to make it better.

And again, nothing is going to teach you better than your own experience in the field. Watching videos can show you some tools to use in the field, but until you're using those tools for yourself, they're useless. If you see Tyler do something in the field and it works, that doesn't mean it's going to work for you. And trying to get an idea about calibration from the big boys is like trying to learn how to cook by watching Iron Chef. All you see is the end result; without practice, you won't understand _why_ the onion ice cream isn't a terrible idea.

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Hey Monkey , bare with me this is going to be a long post of questions , and I need good delivred answers:

1-Im trying to gain female friends (I asked you this questions before) and you referd to x girlfriends , I dont have of them outhere but Im getting to know women as I go out, one of my plans is to seed them (Im throwing a dinner party every once in a while) and tell them to bring their friends, how can I move this to entourage game?

2-Lately I have been getting these comments that im sending out gayvibes , and it doesnt really bother me when im in set , but I dont want it to affect me in the future when im meeting a girl that I really like ...

3-How important is escalation ? I can hook a set and kino playfully , but whats next ? I had a girl tell me infront of my face "this conversation is going nowhere" because she wanted sex more than me and I was throwin thread after thread after thread.

4- In regards to that , I have a real innergame problem realised yesterday , part of me inside thinks that HB10s are not attainable for me except with social proof etc.(since its my main attraction switch) how can I acheive a personal enlightment of knowing as a fact that HB10s are attainable for me personally? moreover I reached a stage where if a girl is investing in me I play hard to get this is to the due fact that once you get rejected alot you start having your own "Guy Bitch shield" whats your realisation on that?

5-How many times a week do you prefer to going out a week to acheive good results ?

I'm drunk right now, so my first reply may seem weird, but it's actually just drunk.

1) I understand that you're trying to bring more girls into your life as friends, but I can't say as that's something I've ever had to do. I've never practiced "entourage" game, so the idea of spitting game at a girl I have no interest in sexually is a completely alien idea to me. Worse, the idea of spitting game a girl I _am_ interested in, and then cutting my interation short prematurely seems like the sado-masochistic version of self-denail. When I want to make friends, I just drop the pick-up stuff entirely because you don't need it. When you meet new people, hang out with them and become friends. If you want to meet the friends of your new friends, just... do stuff with them. Go to your new friends' parties, or hang out with them when they're going out for coffee with their friends. I can't say as pick-up has ever really helped me in this regard.

2) Being gay is amazing. I'm the single gayest straight man alive, and I love it. No reason for it to hurt you when you meet someone you like, it just gives you ammo to DLV. "It's weird, I meet people and they're like 'OMG! You're so gay!' and I'm like, 'Sorry, fella, I'm allergic to penis.' I'm a one on the kinsey scale, but you bust out a couple of 'Oh my god, I _know_' speeches, and suddenly everyone thinks you're taking it in the poop shoot."

3) Escalation is everything. If you were to strip game down to it's very barest essentials, they would be: Open, Escalate, Close. If she wants sex more than you do, fuck her and then go back to your conversation. If you're not interested in fucking her, eject and give her a chance to hook up with someone else.

4) Lie to yourself. You'd be surprised how well this works. Tell yourself every day that you are the tits, that there is no sexier human being than you, wherever you happen to be. When you look in the mirror, tell yourself "God DAMN you're sexy, son!" Flex. Show off. When you see a bunch of hot girls, tell yourself that you could have any single one of them if you wanted them, but fuck, you're busy right now. Whenever a girl rejects you, remind yourself that you're a sexy motherfucker and it's her loss. She must be having a bad day, and it's pretty harsh luck for her, because you were going to show her shit she's never seen before. Do it in your head or, better, out loud.

Also, lie to other people. Do it with a straight face. When a hottie talks to you, in any situation, turn to your friends and tell them about how much she wanted you. Hell, tell HER how much she wants you.

Her: Would you like fries with that?
You: You so totally want me.
Her: Um... Huh?
You: Yeah, fries will be great.
Her: Wait, what?
You: You want me. I wouldn't worry yourself. Everyone does.

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