So we had 3 dates with girl, and I didn't french kiss her yet... Usually I'm faster than that, but this time I'm not sure what I'm thinking off....

Anyways, we both agreed on our forth date, however we agreed on the day and she asked me to text her the time as usual.....I texted her the day before with time, expecting a reply and got nothing. Very late that day, I called her to see if everything was still up and her phone was either turned off, or she had no time left on it, or w/e the reason is. Next morning, on the day of the date I asked her in sms form, if she's going to reply to my previous message and got nothing. I called again, the phone was the same. I sent a pm in facebook, I knew she was online although I didn't see her in chat online. No reply.

I dunno if she's ignoring me, and if she is why? Everything was good other then no kiss close, we hug and I get lot's of ioi's.

Anyways how would you handle the situation in person, or otherwise if I don't meet her at college?

Seems fairly obvious to me.

You've had three dates and you haven't kissed her...but then you already knew this.

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When you are hugging her just move in and kiss her cheek and quickly move onto the lips.

Its a move thats never failed for me everytime ive used it.

If you dont follow this advice your a bitch straight up.

tipaj,

Stop trying to contact her so fiercely....Not only are you showing her a strong sign on insecurity, but are verging on being a potential stalker (If infact she's trying to ignore you).

The best advice I can give you, is to give it time. Stop talking to her all together, in any form possible be it Internet, SMS, Text, Phone Call etc.

If she calls you, or text messages you, or anything WAIT...do not immediatley respond or pick up.

Text: Give the text time....wait about an hour or half hour before you respond. But respond with a "I'm busy, what's up?".

Phone Call: Pick up at the last of the rings, and use the above statement.

Result:

She will most likely feel a low sense of hostility if not feel less valuable than before. This is a good NEG because it's easy to transition and switch the role's of who in control.

Her response may sound to this beat: "Oh ok, I'm sorry I'll talk to you later"

Don't let her hang up, for any reason. Instead tell her that you have a "few minutes to spar" If she asks you what your doing, it's an opening to get a conversation going, and the "few minutes to spar" line gives you an exit incase things get cold/dry.

Take advantage of the Faile Date, tell her you called her so many times to Cancel because something else came up, and re-schedule another date...and for God sakes kiss the damn girl.

If she doesn't talk to you ever again after you stop contacting her..then find another fish brother.

That quote made the most sense out of anything iv'e read, ever

You made me sound like a complete noob =) But thank you, you made some other good points. We haven't seen each other about a month before the last date, the one when I invited her to this "failed one".

The thing with me is: I either take a relationship like a game, were I control everything and can screw around all want and don't care about how it's going to end, because there's plenty of fish and I'm too alpha.
And there's when I really care for a woman. I turn into a little kid inside and do stupid things....Like have three dates and still not kiss the girl, because afraid of ruining it....

Anyways, I'm kicking myself right now real hard. I had to kiss close her if not on the first, but on the third date for sure. I took it too far. The moment was there, I did catch the vibe too, but chickened out...

I learned the lesson, and thank god I'm not asking to criticize me, cuz millions would happily reply here. Instead, I'm asking what to do now, how to behave myself and fix the situation.

It's out of question, next time I see her I have to kiss her, even if it's not on a date...I just have to be smooth...

Many times when we hit rock bottom while trying to get the girl we really care about is because we let our emotions get the best of us....

Someone who counts cards at a Blackjack table isn't gambling..he's using his tricks to win the hand...

Samething goes for women, don't gamble based on gut instinct or emotion, instead use the tricks to win her hand and in return you can build a solid relatinoship if that is what you so truly desire.

So should I talk to her after what she did? Completely ignore her? Be angry with her? Let it go? Should get a hold of her or should I wait until she contacts me?

i really like this mr longbottom.
what u need to do is STOP THINKING ABOUT IT SO MUCH!
who knows maybe her phone got stolen... maybe her cat died... whatever the reason i dont think it is your fault. she wouldnt agree to a fourth date if she didnt at the very least intend on talking to you about it (the next date). its one of the side effects of oneitis (overanalysing) try your best to look at it from a pua's point of view and not your own. whatever you do dont get angry at her because this shows neediness and an insight to how possesive you would be if you were together. if you want to punish her act disinterested.

and remember when dealing with oneitis look at the positives, more often than not the negatives arent even that big, your mind is just telling you, you fucked up because you dont want to lose this girl.

I'm over it more and more every hour and stop worrying....I don't give a fck anymore.

What's interesting is that she contacted me now. She replied on FB to pm in which I asked her what the hell is wrong with the phone. She said nothing and asked me if I called her....

I'm not sure if my reply was right, but it was simple: Yes, I called twice and sent 2 texts.

W/e happened with the phone - I don't care.

What I care about is should I keep trying or let her be for a few weeks.

Ok, that right there...the part where she says "nothing. why? did you call?" sounds like a nice way of saying "I didn't feel like answering you".

You're reply, i'm sorry to say, just got you the GAME OVER title sliding down your FB screen.

The appropriate response would have been a solid negative/lie such as: "Yeah, I tried to get a hold of you all day. I had ticket's to **An Event that's so amazing she'll feel bad for not answering** but you never picked up, so I took someone else."

That, my friend, would have put you back in the game.....Why? because the mention of someone else will naturaly induce a sense of jealousy no matter what and peak her interest.

Don't be upset or dissapointed, it's life.....Best recovery method= Hitting a nightclub with your best wingman and get your confidence and motivation back up.

The girl reached me over SMS, asking me to make it up to her but she invites me to dinner next day and pays. I replied like an hour later, because I was busy. I said that I did call her and text her she didn't pick up so I went with someone else (Mr. LongBottom), however I like free dinners and I asked when. There was no reply. 4 hours later I texted asking if she got my text. No reply, so I called twice, she didn't pick up.

This pisses me off. I don't think she doesn't pick up on purpose because she can't see who's calling. But what about texts? I mean last time her phone was really shut-off or w/e so she probably didn't get them, but what about this time? Plus she invited me.

Is she ignoring me, or is there really something wrong with her phone? I mean I called she could've picked up...

And now I can't get this girl out of my head, either because I'm getting oneitis, which is most likely, or because she's ignoring me.

Anyways, right know I try to have a I don't give a fck attitude, but I know she's in my head. What would you do? Please, don't tell me go out and hook up with other girls, because I'm going to on weekend.

If i manage to overpower her in my head, it will be for goood. I don't like to have someone in my head and I would rather wake up with other girls, that don't give me headaches.

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I want you to step outside of yourself and read what you wrote, set aside all things with a clear head and just read.....If you don't see the problem you're having I will oblige you with the answer to it.

Don't try...DO. Go have fun on the weekend and forget about this and her...

Mr LongBottom,

Thinking with my head clear as you asked, or thinking I'm thinking with my head clear: I see that I expect too much when there's nothing, we're not even dating, yet. I should just relax and let go, and worry more about my problems not someone elses and go PU other girls. Concentrate on the good parts...But really be a real PUA, that post above is not a PUA talk.

Anyways,
She reached me and she set up a date for tomorrow.
That's when I show her how I really feel.