Heya im a UK nightclub game guy, and so try getting girls on the dancefloor.

However the thing that i find really extremely hard is being able to assess if the girl fancies me or not before i start dancing against her.

Since over here in UK dancefloors are very packed, and so to start dancing with a girl you basically just have to go up behind her and start grinding behind her.


But i am extremely concerned that if i go and start doing it to a girl, but she doesn't fancy me,
she will just turn around and say ''who the fcuk are you?!! what are you doing touching me!! i dont know you, so why are you touching me and dancing with me?!!''.

At which point id not only basically have been branded a weirdo pervert for the night so not be able to dance on the dancefloor anymore that night,
but could also likely get thrown out by the bouncers n so banned from the club.


Even if the girl wasn't that vocal and extreme in her rejection, when she just turned round n pushed me off/moved away from me,
inside id still feel like a creep.



But for any other guys who go clubbing in UK and so understand what the game is like here and so understand what i mean,
how do you assess if the girl is physically attracted to you at all before you start dancing behind/with her?? (As shes never going to smile at you or show interest due to the huge ratio of men to her in the club)

And if you assess wrongly and go for it, but then she does reject you, possibly gets quite vocal and angry about it,
what do you do to protect yourself and your image??



Thanks

this is not gaming its just AFC/AMOG behavior

I've been living in the UK and I've seen a LOT of guys do that and they weren't thrown off the club, they just do a girl to girl kinda thing until they find a horny drunk girl, you can continue doing it and it might get you somewhere, if you want just do it

but again this is NOT gaming!!! you're not building rapport or attraction or anything, you're not being special, and you don't have an aura about you of a guy that came to have fun, you look like another horny guy...

again this might get you girls, and I did got results like that before I got into the game

I don't want to bring you down, sorry if I'm too straightforward

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Lol Dont worry about being too forward or direct mate its fine.


I personally am more into that way of getting girls rather than the ''pua acting'' stuff,
as in my personal view many aspects of that are just extremely lame, outdated, and cringe-worthy when seen in action.
Since while 20+ years ago when guys were all shy and there was a big divide between men and women socialising they would have worked great,
but in this modern age basically every single girl has seen the youtube videos about it how the guy asks the girl for advice on clothes in shops.... ect

And so it just seems very very cheesey, often annoying plus intrusive, and even sometimes offensive when guys try all of that pua random talking and chatup lines, and then insulting them with negative observations that hes amde about them.


But i dont really spent any time thinking about what methods other guys try n use to get girls in bed,
as im more focused on trying to get the girls in bed myself,
dont really care how lame or stylish the method used is to be honest.

well then you know nothing of PUA... its not about lines and routines,

look, night game and clubbing are my favorite, I use it to advertise myself (I'm a comedian and an adult magician), and when I game I act like the club belongs to me, and when I dance with a girl is when she is attracted to me
secretly coming on them from behind is childish and ridiculous... you see... her reaction doesn't depends on you, you've done nothing to get her attention or attraction, you just jumped on her hoping she will approve

(after edit:)
I'm not saying that you can't go caveman, or be direct, but I like to feel like I own the place and girls see me as a guy that came to have fun, so it's funner around me, I'm not a horny dog they see every day..

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Have you ever thought that its much more likely that its not the girls who actually dislike the guys like that,
but that its you who dislikes them...?!

Since to anyone who looked at it from the outside in a purely observational view (not judgemental one),
they would see a few hundred girls going to a building on the weekend where they get drunk and then dance/get danced with by loads of random guys,
and yet regardless of how much they may say verbally that they dislike guys like that,
those same few hundred girls will return to that building the next weekend, weekend after, and every single weekend for many many years,
knowing exactly what the guys in there will be like and how the night will be,
and yet still choosing to go.

And so its far more likely that the problem with guys like that is yours, in your head,
as girls clearly dont dislike it as much as is made out that they do.



You personally may be into your magic tricks, approaching girls who sit at bars and starting up chats and conversations with them,
and like i said i honestly just dont spend any time really ever thinking and judging about what other guys are doing to try getting girls,
so if thats what you like to do thats your choice.

But for me, i have no real interest in doing that and getting to know the girl 1st,
as if i wanted to have any sort of closeness with girls id start having girlfriends again. lol
Now that ive choosen to not offer girls any sort of commitment or relationship other than sexual or clubbing buddies, or both,
all im interested in when going out clubbing is getting to snog girls as frequently as possible without having to spend my money or having to do much chatting.



Im only on forums like this to try finding answers and tips that relate to the specific questions that i create the topic about...,
and so if you not able to provide that please just dont post on the topic with your personal opinions on it mate,
and i wont clog up your threads with my opinions about your style of trying to get girls.



Thanks

dude... I'm dancing at clubs, that's why there is music there, I didn't said that girls don't like it, I just said that it's not pick up, it's not game its casual, I used to get girls like that.. I actually have a few girls which I only party and sleep with...

don't take it personally, you asked how to improve you're game, and I told you my opinion: don't be a horndog

and about IOI's.. come on man you know what they are...

a girl is eyeballing you, touching her hair and dances new you
owe, and another thing, try dancing with girls face to face for a bit before you grind her.. there is more chances to kiss her in like 3 min from there and after that just dance with her, and if you can take some salsa lessens

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I hope I'm not intruding here, fella's..

Listen Spanish89, ask yourself one simple question:

Why do single women/girls go to clubs?

Now, there may be ample space for variable reasons, but most of the time they are there to have fun...

In having fun at a club, most women/girls would normaly have a few drinks if not get entirely drunk(Which makes you job a whole lot easier).

My Approach:

When I walk into a club, I normally asses the women/girls present. I instantly look for the attire they have one which says A LOT about her expectations for the night (eg. A girl in a skimpy skirt is normaly going to be the appropriate target).

Next comes her company, a girls freinds/freind will tell you wether or not she will accept a dance/hook-up or not. (Watch out for the friends body language if attempting to just hop in and start grinding). Also, if her friends are all taken up by another guy, it's a clear indication of either 2 factors:
1. She will dance with the next guy she see's
2. She has no interest in having physical contact with a male at the present moment.

Lastly, and the most obvious....be playful. Once you have targeted a girl you want to dance with...don't just get behind her and begin thrusting...play a little to get her attention.
For Example: I remember at one point I was on the dance floor, my other friends has begun to dance with some random women. I look back to see a group of girls dancing with other guys, while one of which had no one to dance with. So I eased back and I shook my ass on her's, to which she accepted and the rest of the night was history...

Cheers for the tips mate.

Normally my main problem currently is that i get too self-concious to make the 1st move start dancing with the girl,
and so instead dance next to them, but then put my back/bum to them, and see if they start dancing up against me or with me.

I seriously need to just snap out of that worrying and self-conciousness though, but i just find it hard.
ALthough ive pickedup 2 bits of advice from the site that im going to use when i go clubbing next time, and so hopefully itl be different from now on.



Thanks for the tips though, especially the 1 about seeing how playful her mates also seem.