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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:58 pm 
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I've been reading a ton of guy's dating profiles, and it seems like most of them are exactly the same, completely boring, and give me no reason to want to message someone or answer them back. So, while I'm no expert, here's some things that stand out to me which avoid the "cookie cutter" trap:


1. You don't have to follow directions. Every site asks you to list what your hobbies are, what music you like, etc. My favorite profiles are those where the guy doesn't do that at all and instead makes a joke, parodies the site, anything. That alone will make you stand out. Break some rules :)


2. Don't tell me something about you, SHOW me something. Demonstrate instead of name. Example: instead of saying "I'm an adventurous, fun-loving guy", say "The best time I had this year was hiking upstate--me, my two friends, and a bear", or "my friends like to bring me canoeing because somehow I always end up in the water". It doesn't need to be exotic. Rather than saying "I'm romantic and thoughtful", write "If you are sick I will bring you tea and stay up with you until you fall asleep."


3. For goodness' sake please use spell check and/or have someone proofread. I'm not the grammar police, but if a guy can't be bothered to put enough effort in to check it, that gives me a good indication of what that guy is like. I hereby volunteer to proofread for you :).


4. Write like an alpha: don't say "I'm not usually too good at describing myself, but I'll do my best." Resist the urge to downplay yourself.


4. Don't be afraid to be funny or outrageous. It's like verbal peacocking: a single sentence thrown in that maybe makes no sense but catches the eye. Some favorites of mine: "I like melty ice cream", "I think clowns are creepy".

5. If I can tell why your last relationship ended, there's a problem. For example, do not write "I want an honest, loyal girl who will stay true to me" (last girl cheated), "Seeking financially independent woman" (last girl ran up your credit cards). You don't need to say you want no baggage or no drama--no one does, and if that's in the first few lines of your profile, it tells me you're still bitter about your last relationship.

6. Do get a good photo taken. Professional photographers get good photos partially because they take a TON of them, so get a friend, a camera and tripod, or even your webcam, and take a ton, then pick the most flattering one. Action shots are good too. Of course this is a good place to use social proof and preselection. Guys who only have one or two pics, and both of them were taken in a mirror with a phone, make me nervous.



7. Give her a reason to write you: leave something unfinished. Tell a story, but only up to the interesting part, or use your photos to do this. Ask a question--this helps in two ways--one, she is curious to find out the rest of the story, or the answer, and two, it gives her a built-in first message to you--no fumbling for what to say. In my own profile I had a pic of me holding something sort of bizarre and the caption was "Bonus points to whomever can tell me what I'm holding". I was amazed at how effective that alone was.

All of the above examples, good and bad, were pulled from existing profiles. Hope this is useful, and that I'll get to read some cool new profiles :)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:12 pm 
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This is great, what makes it even more great is that it comes from a female. Thats just the only way some people will get it.


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Your signature is awesome.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:54 am 
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I've been reading a ton of guy's dating profiles, and it seems like most of them are exactly the same, completely boring, and give me no reason to want to message someone or answer them back. So, while I'm no expert, here's some things that stand out to me which avoid the "cookie cutter" trap:
Before I get to your post, I have to say overall you gave excellent advice here. Some of it has already been mentioned here before. But other stuff has not.
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2. Don't tell me something about you, SHOW me something. Demonstrate instead of name. Example: instead of saying "I'm an adventurous, fun-loving guy", say "The best time I had this year was hiking upstate--me, my two friends, and a bear", or "my friends like to bring me canoeing because somehow I always end up in the water". It doesn't need to be exotic. Rather than saying "I'm romantic and thoughtful", write "If you are sick I will bring you tea and stay up with you until you fall asleep."
In other words you want word imagery. You want to "see" the person doing it or see it happening.

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3. For goodness' sake please use spell check and/or have someone proofread. I'm not the grammar police, but if a guy can't be bothered to put enough effort in to check it, that gives me a good indication of what that guy is like. I hereby volunteer to proofread for you :).
How important would you say is grammar/spelling? Does the guy need to have perfect grammar or okay/reasonable;e grammar? By okay/reasonable grammar I mean there are mistakes, but its not so poor that the guy looks uneducated. I am surprise that you did not mention l33t speak or internet talk, as I bet that does not go over well.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:23 pm 
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2. Don't tell me something about you, SHOW me something. Demonstrate instead of name. Example: instead of saying "I'm an adventurous, fun-loving guy", say "The best time I had this year was hiking upstate--me, my two friends, and a bear", or "my friends like to bring me canoeing because somehow I always end up in the water". It doesn't need to be exotic. Rather than saying "I'm romantic and thoughtful", write "If you are sick I will bring you tea and stay up with you until you fall asleep."
In other words you want word imagery. You want to "see" the person doing it or see it happening. [/quote]

Yes, kind of--the demonstration is much more persuasive. Think about advertising: if someone wants you to buy a new razor in a magazine ad, they don't say "this razor works really well", they show a pic of a guy with a great shave.
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How important would you say is grammar/spelling? Does the guy need to have perfect grammar or okay/reasonable;e grammar? By okay/reasonable grammar I mean there are mistakes, but its not so poor that the guy looks uneducated. I am surprise that you did not mention l33t speak or internet talk, as I bet that does not go over well.
I thought about saying something about SMS shorthand but realized that culturally it is so accepted, especially amongst younger people, that it probably isn't terrible. For me, grammar is important because it shows a lot--if you are well-read, it is likely you won't get "to" and "too" mixed up. But that's me--other girls might not care. Typos, on the other hand, are easily fixed--so if a guy just throws something up and doesn't bother to check it, it tells me he doesn't care much about what he is trying to convey. Your profile is like your clothes--sloppy clothes say something, no?

I have to add a response my profile got today, just to give you guys a laugh (that means this isn't a "Do":

"Hello sweety...,
how are you?
May I be your friend, please?
Thank you for your attention.
Have a nice day..."

:roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:32 pm 
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Are we ok to ask you to look over our intro text or profiles here? I just created a new one on Yahoo Personals (having pretty much gone through everyone I found interesting on OKCupid...) and ended up going with this:
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The deal is that we're supposed to describe ourselves here, but honestly how can one do so? People are far too complex to sum up in a few lines! These descriptions become more a test of peoples' literary skill than an accurate picture of who they are.

The simple truth is that I'm looking for someone. I want the same things you're here for, but we'll never know each other from a paragraph or two.

I've come to a conclusion that the whole online dating thing is completely backwards. I don't believe you can get to know someone or build real attraction through text. Personality can be hinted at, but not shown or experienced through mere writing except for the most accomplished of authors. I am not such a writer!

Having decided this, I will most likely ask to meet pretty quickly. We can get to know each other the right way, the fun way. The way that really matters in the end. Chemistry can't be written!

So, let's talk!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:57 am 
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Ok, my first impression? (remember this is just one woman):

Saying "I can't describe myself" and "I'm looking for someone..." don't help me know you. No one feels comfortable selling themselves online, and if you weren't looking for something, you wouldn't be there, right? Look back though what you wrote and tell me what there tells me who you are, what you're like, gives me a glimpse of the person I'm going to meet. I get that you are expressing an opinion that written descriptions are useless and you want to move to phone or in-person quickly, and that's it. Make me wonder, make me laugh. :) What's your favorite color? Nighttime or morning? Parka and snow boots or suit and overcoat? City/country? Beer/wine?

Online dating is absurd; it's like picking a date from a catalog: "ooh, I'll take one brunette with good grammar with a side of emails from the cute blonde who likes to ski."

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:19 am 
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Ok, how about this profile:

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/Sarvis

What I posted above was just the first section, so I revamped that and just left in the parts about not thinking you can get to know someone online. Better? Horrible?


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