I'm sorry for such a jarring thread title, but I needed the attention. I've been a long-time member of the forums, so I posted this using a throw-away account. But I've noticed that PUA only works for whites, or blacks. I'm a South-Asian myself, and I just don't have any luck whatsoever with white girls. I've tried everything I've learned from the PUA community, and I really have learned a lot. It has helped immeasurably with my game on other South-Asians, East-Asians, and Latinas - but when it comes to white women, no matter what I say or whatever body language I use, when in the company of their other white friends, they simply will not give me a chance. No matter how far I get, they always get whisked away by your typical tall white not-even AMOG. I've been working on my game for nearly 2 years and at this point I am just fucking pissed off.

This isn't just the case with real life game, but online game. I have various online dating accounts, and I've written numerous threads about my approach including many messages and most of the responses have been "wow, that's a great opener/mid-game/etc. i'm surprised you aren't getting any responses." Because once they see my race in my picture, they just look away. I'm not even a bad looking dude! It's ridiculous.

It seems that no matter how far I get, they just won't ever take the plunge with anything minor. This is how I felt throughout my life in a primarily white elementary school, middle school, and high school. Just that no matter what, no white girl will find me attractive. Well, scratch that, I KNOW many white girls find me attractive because honestly, I'm a very good looking guy. But they just don't acknowledge this, and I'm never one of them. It just something I have always tried to work around or over, and trust me I really have tried to. But I just can't help but feel depressed that I will never win over a white girl. They are really the only types of girls I find attractive, and it's fucking depressing that I can't ever get any of them.

The reason I made this thread is not just so I can bitch and moan, but for enlightenment. Are there ANY other South-Asian PUA's out there that are successful with white girls? Every single one I've seen has been either white, or on some rare occasions black. Every face on the fucking banner of this website is white. Adam Lyons is British too - like that is such a huge obstacle. If there aren't any successful South-Asian PUA's, then there needs to be a giant asterisk to this entire society - that like most other organizations, it's white-only.

LMAO. Fuckin-A I was about to go to sleep, but now I'm laughing too hard.

You're serious aren't you. I REALLY hope Chief sees this.

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Ok, now that I've actually read what you had to say I suppose I'll apologize.

I'm sorry, really. I saw this insane title and proceeded to "lmao".

There are SEVERAL Asian PUAs out there man. You say you've been in the community for 2 years!? Then you should know where to look on this forum for your answers. There is a fucking plethora of knowledge and experience here so use em properly.

I understand that there's a plethora of knowledge here, and trust me, I have been using them. But it simply doesn't work for me when it comes to white girls. I don't know what it is. I understand that this can be a funny topic, which is why I made it under a throwaway account, but I have never slept with a white girl or even gone all that far with one and I am really annoyed - almost depressed, fuck it, I am depressed about it.

When I go out with my white friends, I am always demonstrating the highest social value. I'm always the leader, I always open groups, and I always seem to be doing just great. But it never lasts, and they never want to do anything physical with me. It's just bullshit when I see them ditch me for an average looking white guy. I'd love to laugh with you, but the fact that you're not of my race (I know this sounds horrible) justs makes it really hard to. Honestly, I really just need someone who understands.

I'm reaching out to you guys, man. Help me out!

Man,I want to help you really. The best I have to offer is this:

If you REALLY have been 100% unsuccessful with white-women then you need to think long about what you may be doing different with them subconsciously. You say you've been successful with other asians and latinas.

Do you have this "oh shit she's white, she'll probably reject me" thoughts before you approach (white)women? If you do, its probably written all over you're body language and women pick up on things like that.

Work on this inner game issue and see what happens.

This has nothing to do with white women this is all an issue with YOU. there is something YOU are doing wrong. I've seen white women with Asian men literally EVERYWHERE I've been in the US and several places abroad.


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and because you decided to make this silly "throw away account" we know nothing about you.

What are you doing? Are you a natural? do you use routines? where do you sarge? what country are you in? are you absolutely confident in yourself and your abilities? are the white women you go for strangers? friends? acquaintances? Whats your perceived reputation with theses women (if they know you), Are you a college or highschool student?

Give us some kind of play by play of your interactions with white women. Record it if you have to! Help the forum help you man. This is why I initially thought this was a cry for attention, you've given us so little to work with except for a bitch n moan.

Try this: Go out and approach a white woman AfuckinSAP. See where it goes and write a field report in the field reports section so all your peers(us) can pick it apart and tell you where you went wrong. Put EVERY single detail in this report. This is why I carry a small digital recorder with me, so I can learn from my mistakes.

This is a super-old pic of me and the first girl I'd ever slept with:


I'm 100% Korean by blood. That girl is a hot blonde Californian babe with DD tits.

While I was in America, I ONLY slept with white girls.

Asians do indeed have a unique challenge in terms of white people's perceptions of them. In your case, however, I can tell there's a bigger problem that's holding you back. I can't really tell what it is by the limited information you've given, but it just might be the fact that your game kinda sucks. What do you think attraction is?

Or it may be your style. Why don't you post a pic of yourself wearing what you usually wear?

EDIT:

Here, have another pic

Is that to say that when you approach a lone white woman that they do give you a chance?

I'm a black dude, and my game doesn't work on Asians. Therefore it would be INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST of me to say that the game only works for [other race here] just because I can't f-close an asian chic. I've fucked every race of woman on the planet except for an asian woman. So go figure. Some races of women just don't fuck with certain races of men. I'm black, so I have even a harder time, because most women think negatively of black men, but I don't let that stop me. Women tend to find me intriguing because I'm different from most black men in a good way. My being different, actually HELPS me.

For example, in seattle where I live, most women (of all races) have the stereotype that all black men are saggy-pants-wearing weed-smoking thugs who stand on corners drinking malt liquor and living on welfare. So I'm immediately perceived as different because I don't wear my pants sagging, I don't dress like a thug, I speak proper english, and I carry myself with class, etc, moreover, when I communicate with females they discover through my conversation (without my having to say it specifically) that I have certain social values such as I'm a professional, I'm educated, I'm independent, I'm preselected, I'm a leader of men, and other attraction switches, which is different from the stereotypical black male.

So perhaps you may need to differentiate yourself a bit from other asian men, and sell more of your social value to white women to make them see you in a different light, because apparently white women see you as just another asian dude, which could also be due to the region you live in where maybe white women tend to stereotype asian men. Find out what those stereotypes are in your region and overcome them. And when that doesn't work, just move on.

For example, armed with the knowledge that asian chics don't favor me, saves me a great deal of time, because I DONT APPROACH THEM... lol... and even when I'm introduced to an asian girl, I don't even waste my time trying to target her because I know chances are that it won't go anywhere, and if it would, I would get IOIs from her, which I don't. So I don't worry about it. There are way too many women on the planet (and hotter) for me to put any focus on that one particular race of women. Why fight a battle, if you can't win the war?

So I think you're being a little too over-zealous and that your inner-game is suffering a bit as a result. If white women don't want to fuck with you, it's their loss. Why worry about it. Go fuck 10 hot latinas and 5 brazillians and trust me, you'll be cool.

"Learn to limit yourself; to content yourself with some definite work; dare to be what you are and learn to resign with a good grace all that you are not; and to believe in your own individuality" -- Henri Frederic Amiel

I know a couple of indian dudes who are twins, and they pimp white chicks (and other chicks) all day long

This is ridiculus!

I am not caucasian (at least not 100%) and I have had absolutely no problems whatsoever! Skin color or background is not an issue unless you wanna date racist girls.

It depends on the level your game is at. Maybe you find it difficult because you feel like an underdog. Dont! There are many white chicks who would love to go out with non-caucasian guys. The only thing that matters is who you are (in your own mind). Girls think they go for beauty, coolness, money, intelligence, humor etc etc. They dont! All of those qualities are small parts of the whole, a way to establish if someone is a suitable partner or not, an alpha male. If you can be the alpha male (which is not impossible) they wont care if your skin is white, black, yellow, green or whatever.

What is stopping you from being the man in command, the alpha male? Are you waiting for an OK from someone? Who gives you the right to be one? Do you need approval before doing it? Whats holding you back?
The answer is, you! You are holding yourself back. The limits are in your head. You dont need approval because the alpha male position will not be handed to you. It is something that you must take. Give yourself the right to be the alpha male. Your skincolor has nothing to do with it.

Holy shit, why would anyone in their right mine limit themselves to the women they game? Ok obviously to some degree we all have limits on what type of women we'll game because of personal preferences. But if you wanted to go asian chick why not? No matter what, if you have the opportunity to do it, and that is what you want then go for it. When I read things like this all I see is "___Women are difficult to get with so I guess I'll just never game them"

craziness....

Hey guys, thanks for the responses.

It is really my inner game that's the issue. I'm really confident with women of other races, but I just find myself very nervous when it comes to white women. It really does come down to residue from growing up in an all-white neighborhood my entire life, and not having any luck with women whatsoever until college - and even then, with a very small amount of white women.

Let me try to analyze this. I do get more nervous around them, and I don't have good mid-game with them. I can open, and if I sense attraction or any form of IOI I immediately ask for the number. It's like putting your hand on a hot stove for as long as possible before you take it off. That's how it feels.

I just feel like a lot of the facets of my personality makes more sense to other races. Other South Asians, and East Asians understand that most guys (of their own race) are geeky, with the typical interests in science and technology. Latinas usually find it so rare that they can't help but become enamored by it. But with whites, I feel that not only am I at a disadvantage for not being in their race but I also am not on the Lacrosse team, or studying Law, or whatever. So there is a cultural factor too, and it's just hard for me to be myself while keeping them entertained.

Chief, awesome. All I have to say is "Nice." I really needed to see those pictures. Honestly. (since this is the internet, just want to say that I'm not being sarcastic)

FeelItDoIt, I usually do have better luck with lone white woman. But lone women in general are easier so, it's a given. But I do sense more judgement when white women are in groups.

nofear, I'm really sorry to hear that. It's such a fucking depressing thought to feel that you can't get with a certain type of person. I can't deal with that. I love women of all races and this is a big deal for me. Don't give up on asian women, man. My old roommate was black and he got with a ton of asians. You seem to have pretty good game. Just keep doing your thing, man.

Descartes, just one question and don't take this the wrong way. But can you describe their personalities? I think the problem is just the way I speak. I may seem too bookish at times, and a lot of times whenever I tell white girls (who usually aren't anywhere near my major or have any interest in science) what I do and things that I find interesting, they're just like "...ok" and move on. It sucks because I have no interest in their conversations, so it just seems IMPOSSIBLE. This is just so much more common in white girls than any other type of girl. I have had a shit ton better luck with Jewish women because usually (in my experience) they can hold intelligent conversations (at least about the topics I'm interested in) but they (most of the ones I've experienced) are seriously not into non-Jews. I'm not even going to get into that topic.

Ezo, I do feel like an underdog. This is something I have to seriously work on. I just find it impossible to get over AMOGs or even befriending them or anything like that. Give me a tall white guy with a polo and I just want to leave the room entirely. Bad experiences in High School...

The thing that you gotta realize when it comes to underdogs is that there is nothing genetical that put you in that state. You are not doomed to failure just because you have a different background. I can see that on avarage maybe it is difficult to compete with the tall white jocks but come on... You are not the avarage guy are you?

I just came back from a party (yes I have asian roots) and 95% of all the people there were white (caucasian). Still I went in feeling like a million dollars! How could I do that? Because I seriously believe that I am better than all of those losers. Isnt that a strange thing to say? What gives me the right to put myself higher than the other guys? Well. Nothing. Nobody asked me! I didnt ask anyone if I had the right to feel that way.
If it is arrogant to say that then so be it! Its not as much saying that Im better than everybody else, it is saying that I am not inferior to anybody else.

I got girls around me all the night. Some very serious IOIs and more girls than I could game. I knew a few of the people and they just kept introducing me to new girls. Even girls I had never seen before just walked past and said hi. Sounds like a no biggie but seriously, how often does girls do that? Not very, just when you are surrounded by a lot of girls.


So you see. You dont need any special training, you dont need approval, you dont need a new body. It is all in your head! Everybody else deals with this issue as well. Everybody wants to be the cool guy but they are waiting for the GO! The signal that tells them that it is ok. The cool guys have also started from nothing and built up their selfimage as an alpha male based on experience. They have had successes and they think that they are great just because of that.

So how do we solve that problem? We take a shortcut! You dont need a long history of success to be alpha. You meet these people for the first time, they have no idea who the hell you are. For all they know you might be a millionaire. So take the shortcut! Dont care what they think. Care what you think!

Im still abit AFC, but I can tell you that in about 1-2 months and ~6 or more i donno, days of day gaming. I have number closed...about 7 chicks...all white.

You have the mentality of going in there thinking "oh shit, oh shit, white chick, shes gonna reject me, but i might as well go in there, just incase she has an asian fetish"

Btw, im also asian.

1/4 welsh, 1/3 burmese, 1/3 singaporian, and like 1/10 australian lol.

Im in australia, so there are mainly white chicks. But there are quite a few asians to, but I seem to be like you said im pretty sure, more attracted to white chicks than to asians.

Going into the set, thinking, hey another white chick, I will be myself if she doesnt like me, fuck her there are plenty more fish in the sea (fuck her as in, move on, not literally rape her or something).

Obviously im not as experienced as most you guys posting, but I just wanted to put in my word, because I am also south asian, and I know where you are coming from, but its defiantly not impossible like you make it out to be, you just have to stop putting the Caucasian pussy up on the Pedestal xD maybe just try a few sets on a HB6-7 so its not much of a loss, try pretend they are 1/2 asian or something, so it may calm you down and not make you think she will 100% reject you, go in there with an open mind.

Good luck, and let us know what happens

Ey Asian with no luck with white women,

Have a look in the PUA video section. There is a video that you can see there in which your problem is exactly described. You can see 2 video's. In the first a regular Asian guy tries to close white chicks but he has no succes at all. According to some interviews with women it gets really clear that Asian men do have problems with white women. White women tend to have the idea that Asian men are small and a bit nerdy computer freaks. But in the second video an Asian PUA goes into the field and he closes many white women. The guy was really cool in his appraoches. He even managed to close a blond chick by opening her with a hug. Go have a look because that Asian dude has really good game. Learn from him.

Simply flexing your PUA muscles(what many consider inner game) won't change anything. Chief's setting you on the right path. Focus on your game. In what ways are you successful with Asian girls? How do you "game" them? If you really have no issues with them as you wrote, then it should be pretty easy to do the same thing with anybody else . . .