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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:53 pm 
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I wrote this all out before I found out I need 50 posts to put this in the lounge. So you can have it if you want it, otherwise I'm not making 50 posts to share with the community. I've been reading various PUA techniques and methods for a long time so here is what I have to share based on observation and experience.

There are some assumptions I want to challenge here and some issues I see with how people view this advice.

A) Oneitus. It has its place. You are in the grand scheme of things looking to land the perfect HB. The perfect HB is not necessarly just a HB10. The perfect HB, may in fact be a HB7 who you share an infinite amount of views, hobbies and interests with. This is what the normal world calls "wife material." While there is an unlimited amount of HBs out there to lay and play around with, the number of women that are attractive and share a more meaningful connection with you will be much less. I like to think of these as HB11s. With a kind nod to Spinal Tap for that.

The point of getting out of your AFC shell is of course to elevate your chances of obtaining that person. Because eventually you'll be old, undesireable and maybe even impotent. Your hope is to at some point transend the game by getting enough tail, and finding an interesting enough person to spend a considerable amount of time with and to be satisfied with that choice.

Even the most hard core PUA eventually yearns for something more.

So I read a lot of these posts, and many of these young guys are missing the point of this completely. The whole point of this is to become more marketable and to rid you of the brainwashing that the entertainment industry and TV has got into your head of what your dating life should be like. Every one of us grew up watching movies where the guy brings flowers, pays for the meal, and is at her beck and call. And then what happens? They live happily ever after.

Your early teen years smash this dream so completely that for most people its a tough thing to understand. The born leaders, the alphas figure it out pretty quickly. But they represent a small portion of the total population. So many, the average, get frustrated. Hense AFC.

B) The other issue which I now see coming to light, is that your whole goal should be to balance your PU game with improving your inner game.

Someone with no inner game, or someone with a low true worth will never end up truly keeping what I affectionately call a HB11. You may lay her, you may have a relationship with her, but you're not marriage material. The right girl will have enough friends that can smell you out, enough smarts to put it together and eventually she will find the real alpha. The one with the looks, the job and the money to back it up.

So I see a forum that is populated with 90% of talk about building PU skills without any talk about building your inner game. The more you build your inner game, the easier it gets and the less you have to work for it. By the time your in your late 20s the roles reverse. Women get desperate for husband types, and if you've built your inner game up you can smash whatever comes walking your way. You'll have the pick of the litter.

This means you need to be working on a degree, networking for your job, building skills and learning. These are things that take away from you PU game time. But you need to balance these things. I see a lot of people posting about being in "uni" and not many of them have good things to say about their grades or their programs. They are as was pointed out earlier missing the point. You need to be balancing your life.
C) Most of these guys posting as PUAs are actually RAFCs. I'm an RAFC and you probably are too. Get over yourself and be realistic about your self worth.

That was what I wanted to get out of the way, now its my turn to give back to the community.

I've been a car nut my whole life. Since before I could drive, cars were to me an art form. As I got older and more mature I began to appreciate the engineering that went into them, and then fell in love with the culture of cars.

I sold cars, financed cars, did consulting with auto shops and eventually now have my own auto parts business online. There was a lot of inner game work that got me to that point. Going through the effort to run a successful business will do more to your inner game than you could ever imagine. You'll pick up so many skills along the way that people will come to you for advice for everything in their life. In a world where 99.9% of people work for someone else, you set yourself apart in the pack.

But what I wanted to contribute has to do with cars!

Using material items to further your game is rightfully frowned apon. Its tacky, it goes against what being a human being is all about. But that being said, if you had some money in your pocket to buy a car, that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy one that makes you happy and also appeals to the girls in your life. So here are some steadfast rules and recommendations when buying a car and how women view them.



Sports Cars
Domestics - If you are driving a Camaro or Mustang, its a good talking point for many girls. Don't show off in it. It makes you look like a DB. If your car is fast, you don't need to brag about it. If she says she likes going fast, invite her out to the drag strip with you. Teach her how to drive, and if your car isn't worth a lot, let her take it out on the strip. You can build a relationship really quick by being an authority on the subject. The rush of her driving the car will most likely get her wet, pull her out quickly and get her back to one of your places.
DO NOT live through your cars persona. There are a million idiots with Camaros, Corvettes and Mustangs. She probably won't think your car is rediculous but she won't care that much either.
European
New - Great, you just got a brand new BMW 3 series. Welcome to the 30Kaire club. She'll think you have a lot of money and think you have a lot of class. Your car will depreciate like its on fire and if you drive it after the warranty expires your pocketbook will be on fire too. Avoid buying new European cars unless you can and like spending lots of money on your car.
Used - Your late 80s Mercedes isn't fooling anyone, guys or girls. Even a classy car like an E36 M3 which would be admired by guys in the know, would still just be a "boxy car" to most women.
Exotic Cars
New - You are rich and powerful, I want to have sex with you.
Used - You are rich and powerful, I want to have sex with you.
Ragged out - POSER
Luxury Cars
New - You are classy, I am thinking about having sex with you.
Used - You're are trying too hard.

Daily Drivers
Compact - Normal
Mid Sized - Normal
Full Sized - Professional

Modified Cars
Imports - Idiot
Domestics - See mustang\Camaro reference.
Note: Mitsubishi Evos\STIs do not impress women. Don't kid yourself.

Muscle Cars - Timeless vehicles.

Trucks
You actually need a truck - You are a manly man
You don't need a truck - You're trying too hard

So what can you take out of all of this? Well there are a couple vehicle types or cars that if they appeal to you might have an added benefit as improving your perception.

Because even though its materialistic, its called a "status symbol" for a reason. While a lot of people can afford to buy 3 series BMWs, and think they are cool, not many people can afford a Porsche 911.

Here are a couple traps that PUAs can get themselves into when they buy cars.

1) Buying cars they can barely afford and extending their credit.

Eventually your car will be 3 years old, not cool and depreciating as I said earlier like its on fire. If you can afford to buy new cars every 3 years and it doesn't impact your budge, then feel free to do so. But there are more cost effective ways to get nice cars which I'll get into.

2) Buying ragged out cars.

Buying an old Porsche 944 isn't going to get you chicks, or props from anyone other than 16 year olds. Just don't do it. The same goes for the fix it up Mustang which you don't actually have the time or drive to fix.

3) Buying cars because they think it will get chicks and defining themselves through the vehicle.

Listen, I LOVE cars. It is my passion. But you can't live through your car. You can be about cars, but not about YOUR CAR. That is a 16 year old mentality.

You like cars, but your car is JUST YOUR CAR. Even if its a Ferrari. Keep that in mind. Your attitude about your car tells a lot about you. If all you do is talk about it, or talk your car up you sound insecure about yourself. Think about it, if you've ever met someone driving a Ferrari they never talk about their car. Because they have a high self worth. They don't need a posession to boost their confidence.

Advice - If you can afford to buy a nice car (Starting at $25-35K) don't buy the 3 series. DON'T DO IT. Don't buy the Cadillac. And don't buy a used Luxury car.

Here is a to buy list which are vehicles that won't hurt your pocket book and have at least some sex appeal.

1-2 year old GM Suvs (ex cadillac) - Practical, pretty stable depreciation and look great with a set of OEM 20s. Won't kill you to swap up for another one in a couple years.

Used Porsches - Reliable, available in AWD\4WD for those in winter climates, hold their value, shows you have good taste and knowledge in cars. Classic shape and design has been consistant for 30+ years. Won't look outdated.

New Lexus\Infinity - If you have to buy a new car, this what you should be buying. But for the most part avoid new car depreciation. If you have stable driving habits lease these cars. You can get away with buying the ES300.

Muscle cars - If you live for cars, buy old old muscle cars. They are timeless automotive designs. You can buy and own one for the next 20 years and never have to trade up because its "out dated." A 69 Camaro will always OOZE greatness. But a newer Mustang is a dime a dozen and will be dated looking within 5-7 years.

For most "ballers on a budget" consider getting a "daily driver" and a muscle car if you really like cars. A late 90s early 00s civic or camary. To get to and from work, school or wheverer. But on the weekend and when you go out, think of it as your big metal peacock.

That is my advice if your looking for a new car. This is mostly trying to save all the douchbags buying 3 series BMWs, but either way, I wanted to give back to the community.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:04 am 
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Ok slinginparts, I really don't mean to criticize you as a person, I'm a car lover myself so you are probably a wonderful person.
BUT
This post is probably the dumbest and most irrelevant post I have ever seen on this forum, and mind you, I have read Jav's cookie story, which you can read up on one day when you feel like wasting 5minutes of your life. mystery-method-is-totally-not-cool-vt55534.html
Actually I would say that the cookie story is worth it because it was at least funny!

I just have to post a reply here so no poor newbie think that his car is in anyway relevant to his ability to pick up women.

Your car is about as relevant to your pick up as your shoe size is relevant to the number of penguins in Alabama named George.

If you live in the country side or anywhere where there is no public transportation so you have to drive a lot, yeah sure you are gonna have to use your car on dates etc. But if your car in any way affects your game, then you are doing this wrong!
As long as you have a car that takes you from A-B you should be fine!
And trust me on this, I know by personal experience, I used to live in the desert in southern California where you have to drive everywhere, it is your only option!

Me myself, I am a very experience PUA, I have great success with women, and what do I drive?
A banged up, purple, 1990 Jeep Cherokee that I put together myself out of parts from the junk yard, so NO, your car does not affect your game!


On a side note I do have to add the following (because otherwise someone else will try to use it against my argument)
If you drive some really hot status car like a Porsche 911 or similar, then yes, some women will probably approach you and be affectionate because they think you are rich. But this has nothing to do with picking up girls as a PUA.
And it doesnt necessarily have to be a car, it can be any expensive show-off item. It will all attract money loving sluts, but again, that has nothing to do with being a PUA, that's being a sugar daddy!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:06 am 
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I TOTALLY AGREE WITH SLY.


MY thread reeked of value. It's a HB9 compared to this thread, which would be a mere hb4 on the hb rating scale.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:37 am 
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Wrong wrong wrong. If you don't think chicks care about what you drive then the stereotype of men buying cars to impress women would hold no water. But it does.

I'm just breaking it down like this. A lot of the guys that are RAFC or people who think they are PUAs buy sporty cars to fit their "image." I'm just giving some advice to those people.

I didn't say its a great thing, but it is however a part of the car culture. Its something I recognize, and I can tell when guys buy cars because they are insecure, I pick it up right away.

Most people will never analyze this at this level because they don't live for cars. I'm offering my insight as someone who has been in the car scene in one form or another for more than 10 years.

You can say the post is worthless till you are blue in the face, but there are a lot of guys that buy nice cars to impress women and I'm just trying to save them some miss steps. If they're going to buy a car to impress a woman they're going to do it. That's it.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:59 am 
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I drive a '93 BMW 7. Usually the first thing a girl says when she gets in is "Nice car" followed by an incredulous "Is that a car phone?." I get a kick out of it. It is a wicked car for what I use it for (2 hour drives to the ski hill, with power, comfort and space) though I bet it is pretty dated in everybody else's eyes. It is 16 years old even if it is in good shape!


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First of all. After doing some reading, I've decided it's never a good idea to disagree with sly.

Second, this is the most ridiculous post I've read (at least tonight)

I'm not a rocket surgeon, so could someone tell me what the A in PUA is?

The fact that this guy suggested that certain car = wants to have sex with me makes me wonder if he can read at all.

I'm a college student with a unique perspective. I have a roommate who drives a very above average vehicle. I've heard a lot of negative feedback from HB's about him. This point is also mentioned in the book "The Game" as well as places on this forum.

If you have to tell someone you're rich or whatever there is a problem. A girl can tell by the way you carry yourself. A girl can tell by the way you interact with people. If your conversation starter has to do with your awesome vehicle (that you purchased) it may result in your loosing her respect.

I will say that if you built your vehicle, that is a definite DHV opportunity.

I'm not going to start on the obvious, which is that you're an idiot for targeting girls who are clearly looking for the sugar daddy.

If you're rich and a pick up artist, then you have certain tools to use to help you. These are that you're probably smart, decisive, hard working and successful...all attractive qualities and usually found in rich (successful) people. Show those off, not your ride.

Finally, I drive a beat up honda CRV. If a girl ever mentioned that she was better than that as I'm picking up, I'd tell her she can give me a piggy back ride to wherever we're going.

I don't really know where this post is going. It's taken every fiber of my being not to go off with personal attacks on Mr. Car salesman or whatever you said you did.


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My two rubles worth...

(1) Car boy was right in many ways. Nice things do turn on beautiful young ladies. A nice car, nice place, the right colored passport, vacations, etc. are HUGE turn-ons for beautiful young ladies.

(2) College boy's post was irrelevant. American colleges are hell on earth. They don't count.


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He is clearly blinded by the PU books. The oversimplifications of PU. He could also read a bit more on the forum before talking about the amount of inner game discussions.

As for RAFCs you can always check the post counts of the people writing a post, its not a guarantee but it is at least something to help you judge the experience of the writer.

And he focuses waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa(aaaa)y too much on a stupid thing like a car!
Basing your game on a car is like saying, Im not good enough, thats why I drive around in this.

With strong inner game you could pickup girls from a Segway in a pink bunnysuit.


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