Hobbit\\;

My case isn't with those that use Pick up in order to imrpove their lives, or combine self development with it. I fall into that category!

My problem is with the crowd that seem to equate self development and pick up like they are almost identical.

There's a theme that developing yourself and making yourself more social/ finding love; and it seems to revolve around treating the community like it's a spiritual organisation that aims for complete personal fulfilment.

Some people don't seem to be taking time to seperte what they are about and what the community is about.

I swear a pick up artist is someone who goes out with the intention of picking up girls. Having sex with girls. Picking up the women they want for relationships.

If you have 'inner' problems, I don't think you should be trying to have that dealt with on a website made with the intent of helping people pick up chicks.

If you have 'inner' problems, go to a psychologist, or whatnot. Either way, go to a professional.

If you want to pick up chicks, outer game is where its at. You can't exactly sit there meditating at a girl in a club/street/wherever.

I have nothing against people wanting to improve every aspect of their lives, infact, im all for that. But save pick up for that side of your life! If you want to improve your success with women, learn pick up. Go to a pick up site.

If I want to improve at fighting, I don't come to a pick up site. If I want to understand a philosophy, I don't come to a pick up site. If I want to get better at dancing, I don't come to a pick up site. If I want to have my deep childhood screwed up emotions fixed, I don't come to a pick up site. There are all dedicated places for these things, all of which most likely gonna be much more efficient and useful then a site dedicated to picking up women.

Just my piece.

~Secret Charm

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

Actually reading on inner game, coming to complete acceptance of my perfections and imperfections and detaching myself from my ego have led me to be a competely normal, happier than most person. And for that, I will be eternally grateful to PU.

I believe psychological problems can only be helped by yourself, you can be shown the way but in the end it's up to you.

Then you're clearly ignorant of the 'other perspectives' I have been embracing. Just because I don't write posts about everything I do.

Since when have I denied inner game problems? I fully accept them and very open about them.

The problem is, inner game, is better when its about your views about women. How it shapes your thought. However you wanna go about that, is your choosing...

...but this site seems to have a tendency to sugest people become buddhist, for the sole purpose of Pick Up...

This place is quickly becoming the Shaolin of Pick Up.

I'm starting to wonder if the 'M' in 'mpua forum' stands for monk.

p.s: I have nothing against buddhism (before people start making some ridiculous statements/claims), some of the wisest people I know are buddhist, and one of them is a chick.


Much love

~Secret Charm

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

This is just something from my own past :

Yes, I rolled into this community to get more " quality " girls. I would assume that this is the reason why most of us joined the community. It had to do something with girls ( im not saying that there wouldnt be exceptions... )

So, before i joined the community i recornized that i had a problem and this " problem " was the dissatisfaction concerning the goals in my life that i wanted to achieve concerning this perticular area of my life ( love life ). I didnt want to settle for something that is " ok ". No, i wanted to have all the options availeble so i would have the free of choise to go there and get what i would want to have from my life.

Time passed by and i found the community. Like many of us the Neil Strauss book called " The game " was the book that made me excited. I even realized that some of those things i was already doing in clubs subconsciousnessly without putting any effort to really understand what i was doing and why ( for example spotting the basic IOIs ).
Anyway, moving on.

Time passed by even more and i started to realize that there was so much more behind this community if i wanted to get better at this. The anwser to my problem ( the freedom of choise when it comes to socializing with females ) wasnt the canned openers or routines. The source of the problem wasnt my ability not to perform magic tricks or cool DHV stories ( im not trying to bash MM method )because i was getting girls before that. So i realized that the anwser to my problem was somewhere in me. It was associated to my fears, anxietys, the way i was thinking, and all those problems that weakened the best possible me. So, instead of putting more routines into my head, i started to concentrate more to the way i was thinking and to those factors that made me feel that way. After that, i started to put more effort to my outer frame which IMO determines the way people construct the image in their brains concerning you when they first see you.
So i started to put more effort to my bodylanguage and vocal dominance.

It was amazing how much more better results i was getting now than before when just useing all those routines and openers. I felt much more relaxed around women than before and due to this i was able to operate more fluently tahn before. I actually started to realize that it wasnt the opener or routine in it self that made the girl like me. No, it was something else. It was me behind that opener and routine. It was the way i was doing it and not the canned stuff in it self.
After i realized and noticed this, i dropped the whole routine list and the games. I went back to the stage where i was before i started to do MM method but with one big huge different. I was able to bring my real person out of my shell than before due to the exploring of my inner fears and by telegraphing more via my use of bodylanguage and vocal dominance.
I didnt have a game plan but instead a better and relaxed version of me. Not just in club scenes but in this life generally.

So maybe what im trying to say here is that this PUA community actually made me focus more effort to myself than ever before. It made me explore new things. It made me look things differently from another perspective than before. Through me.

This is my conclusion:
PUA community in it self doesent have boundaries. These boundaries only exist in your head. So if you want to relate religion, inner game, or MM method to this community than who has the power to judge what belongs here and what doesent. Its may not be the different perspective that is wrong but maybe instead the limited belief concerning what this whole community is all about.

[ Johnny B ]

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I think your positions are closer than you two think.

SC comes from the position that Pick up is about picking up women, and what people tagged onto it is THEIR business and hould not be regarded as intrinsic to any "meaning of PU"

Hobbit; you seem to be maneuvering from the position that PU is a tool, and JUST to a tool, which is very similar to SC's manner of thinking in simplifying what PU is; but you've gone a step further.

However I have to agree with SC's point to an extent PU has recently taken some shift towards spiritual fullfillment of the person.

I mean hell I just wrote a peice on merging satanistic and buddhist ego, it only just touche on PU, I'm rather suprised it hasn't been moved yet.

The arguments of be open to other approaches to me seem risky in it 's vagueness.

I mean fixing your car so it can run smoother and i not likely to break down while extracting a girl from a club, helps you get laid. But it's a real stretch to call working on your car, PU.

Hobbit, you damn lunatic. My SPAM about buddhism, has nothing to do with my statement about meditation. It would appear it is you purposefully distorts what people say.

It's quite funny how you say I believe there to be 'one true way', when I always mention how there is not 'one true way'.

However, I'm saying if people want to learn pick up, learn pick up. Learn it from pua's, practise it in field. Go to sites/places dedicated to learning pick up.

If someone wants to learn about buddhism, learn from buddhists. Etc etc etc, you should get the point.

If someone has problem with building comfort, or needs to know how to be sexual, it appears they are being told they need to learn to meditate. As you *should* know by now (seeing as you know oh so much about me), is that I too am very interested in learning a form of meditation. But im not looking to learn it sketchily off of people who are quite possibly doing it wrong themselfs. And I'm certainly not going to learn it off a site dedicated to pick up.

But thats just me. Who knows, I really want to become a heart surgeon, perhaps I should learn about that on here too?

~Secret Charm (the social chameleon)

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

I disagree with this post. Yes this is all about picking up chicks, but the reason why most of the guys in here can't pick-up chicks is because they don't have their lives together. They're not very social, they don't have the social skills, the social circles that the naturals have. Half the shit we're told in here is bullshit, useless information we don't need. I mean learning magic tricks? Hypnotism? Meditation? None of the naturals learn this shit, or need to learn it. It's fucking weird. It's taught by weirdos. I have a few natural friends, if I said to them ''use meditiation to help you feel good, and then learn some magic'', they would just think I was weird. You need is a good social circle, a good lifestyle, the social skills to achieve that and the skills to get women become easier. People focus too much on the skills to get women before they get the rest of that stuff sorted, because they say ''this is what game is about'', but they don't get the same results as the guys at the top. The guys at the top have the rest of it, a lot of guys don't bother sorting it out and so they can't get the same results.

Getting a life and improving yourself will get you girls so that is also pickup.

Yeah, I came here to learn how to meet and be more successful with women. But I also came to learn how to be more successful socially.

Expand your horizons, man. There is more than one use to pick up. Have you ever heard people analogize picking up a woman to selling a car or a product? The strategies and skills learned in pickup can be transferred over not only to social life with friends, but also sales, retail, and business. These are life skills.

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Some people is more qualified on being smart asses than on being good with women, or than being someone who genuinely wants to help people. Really sad.

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