I took out this HB7 out to hang out today (as opposed to a date straight out) and I could tell that she was into me. We wandered the mall the whole day talking and just chilling until closing time, and then caught a movie later on. We built Rapport during that time and even ran the First Impression routine. She says that I come across as very confident with the swagger and that I always have a smile on my face shows that I'm fun and can laugh at pretty much anything when in a good mood. Dead Accurate, it's amazing how that works too. During the movie I did Arm routine (Probably AFC of me but it's a learning experience) a total of two times. She removed it twice, but not immediately. After the movie she seemed like in a whatever attitude. It was 10:30 and she says she was tired. I didn't buy it at all, because she was replying to some facebook statuses and my message at 3:24 AM. :/ We hung around for 20 minutes until her dad picked her up. No K - close. Was this due to the lack of minor Kino? Can I fix it?[/code]

You're in trouble...

I NEVER do movies on a first date.

It basically kills all the momentum you've just built up. Think about it, you're talking you're chatting, you're teasing her. Then bam... you stop, you're sat in silence for two hours.

You want to keep bouncing to somewhere cool, maybe pool, bowling anything where you have an excuse to kino.

It's no surprise you didn't get to kiss her. Remember chicks are like cats, you got to get her used to your touch. They don't like sudden surprises. It's a gradual thing.

Her attraction switches will be turned more off now because she'll see the date as a purely logical conception, sure you talked a bit you might have even made her laugh but the most important thing you failed to do...

You failed to engage her emotions, you failed to kino. When you did try to kino, you did it awkwardly. That's telling her, 'shit this guy doesn't know what he's doing around girls...'

Don't get me wrong she probably wanted you to put your arm around her, but in a manner that was assertive and alpha male.

So is it recoverable? Yes.

She will be testing your neediness now. So you calling for another date real quick will put her even more off.

The best way to react to this is to man up and be honest. Text her a couple of days later saying "It was great getting to know you and all but I realise it can't have been much fun for you...you fancy doing something a little more exciting..."

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Get hold of DiCarlo's Escalation Ladder if possible, can't remember where I got it from but just search it in Google. It'll help a lot for the future and is pretty easy to follow. And I agree, movie dates are rubbish unless you're in a relationship or have already f-closed her. But we learn from our mistakes dude

Ah, I figured as much. Well I have tons more options anyways since another HB7 invited me to her New Year's party. I think that I'll just not talk to her for a week. She's testing my neediness, right? This a good test to see if I don't have the one-itis for her, and to find out whether or not she's remotely open for a day 3. If she replies to any of my messages then it's good. If not, oh well. It might not have worked anyway.

And the Vin DiCarlo article was a good read!

Her dad Picked her up ? how old are you guys ? if you aren't yet 21yrs then mate I advise you to get out there and be in the natural world and stop worring about routines and other stuff.

Lack of Kino = Friend zone

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I'm 17 and she's 18. She hasn't doner road test. So I should just ditch the routines?

TheGamer, I'd highly suggest that you ditch the routines & don't think too much about pick-up and below are my reasons, Take it or leave it .

Most PUAs were socially awkward growing up and didn't have much going on for them weren't interesting as people. Now a lot of them in here are great etc. but I'm talking about MOST of them. When you are 17yrs old you should be thinking about developing new skills and exporing your talents. Probably you are good at playing an instrument, or great at sports or threatre, dance or photography, skiing or road racing. This is the time for you to expore your talents and be this interesting guy that women are attracted and interested in. Go travel to some new place, read and interesting author, etc.. This would go a LONG WAY in your life in the world of dating & women. At some point in your life when you end up having conv. with successful people (successful in life in general), you would have things to talk about with them. Use this time to gain knowledge about varied subjects & it would help you later.

A little story here- I was in Denver, CO for a week and hit a lounge the very first night. I was at the bar and started talking to a guy who works for an aircarft manuf. on titanium and metal composition (boring topics for PUAs but that was his interest) soon these two girls joined him(they were all friends, a big group which I later found out) I started talking to these girls on jewelry and art. They invited me back to their table and there I met one of the girl's sister who was w/o her bf and learned that she had just acquired her scuba diving license and was visiting her sister. She and I talked about scuba diving and I turned the conv. to passions in life, aquatic life and what it feels like to be underwater, adrenaline rush etc etc.. long story short, I was a 'HIT' at their table and everyone loved talking to me. I number closed the girl and we met up the next day with some of her other girlfriends. They showed me around and yes I hooked up with one of their friends (but thats a different report). So you see from metallic composition to jewelry design to scuba diving !! If I didn't have any exp. with any of this then I wouldn't have been able to GIVE VALUE TO AN ENTIRE TABLE OF STRANGERS and then later hang out with them for the rest of the week. And then later hook up

So for now at your age my advise for you to be successful would simply be:

1) Be an interesting guy.
2) Don't Chase girls but let them chase you.
3) Don't lower your standards to accomodate any girl. If she is rude or breaks dates or acts up then be willing to move on.

4) Be a fun guy that girls would love to hang out with and date. Be funny interesting and FUN.

5) dont keep calling them like everyother guy but treat yourself as the PRIZE

MPUAs like Sinn don't even take guys under 21yrs in their class. Sinn admits to have cut himself despite sleeping with 160 women because he was unhappy and depressed. This goes to show that only getting a girl and having sex does not do it all. Mystery's personality is described as bipolar. Neil Strauss despite being the legendary MPUA could not keep his GF.

Pick-up has a lot to do with physology and you can get to it in your early 20s once you have developed a strong core set of talents/values etc.. Chances are you would never have to even learn routines and would know the game of attraction over the years as you dev. an attractive personality


So try to be this guy who has great exp. to share with people and can hold a conv. with anyone, girl's father on world eco, girl's brother on football, mother on cooking, sister on fashion etc etc.. and you'd know how to keep a girl inetrested and attracted.And this is the age for you to develop those interests

Long reply, but I hope this helps.