After discovering this world of the pick up artist, as a woman I have to say I'm amused

I'm sure by the amount of websites and forums I've seen on it that it must work for some. I though I'd give my perspective if it helps anyone. Time and time again me and my female friends have seen the same mistakes being done.

Time and time again you get men who come up to women and instantly you know that they think they own you. Their plan and their hoped outcome is so painfully obvious that they might as well go "Me...you....sex". And becuase it's their goal is that obvious the following attempts at conversation is cringeworthy . I suppose that might be one trick....to not make it so damned obvious. With a lot of men who are actually confident enough to go up to a unknown girl in a club, I can see the same look in their eyes - the painful boredom of having to chat a girl up just to get her to bed. It would actually be refreshing if someone took a bolder approach and go "Hi there, I think you're hot, do you want to have sex?" Not sure it would win me over personally but it would be kind of refreshing!!!!!

What IS attractive is men who love women. Who enjoy their bodies and company an who make no secret of it - I knew one such friend and he could get a woman giggling in minutes - I suppose some men just have the gift!!

Actaully that is the grandmaster style and I have a good amount of fun using it instead of canned material.

Although the five questions game has helped me not spend a lot of money at bars.

Yeah and just being relaxed. Like "Hey wer'e having a good time, but if you don't want to have sex, then no big deal. If you do then great!"

Sexually desperate men are a turn off!

So basically, what you've said is that AFC guys who approach you and don't really engage you in fun conversation / have a good time are boring ?

Yea, we know, that's why we found this forum .

I know you've said you'd like it if a guy was more direct/honest - but honestly, what women SAY they want is totally different to what sub-consciously ATTRACTS someone.

"I just want a nice boy who'll look after me and comfort me." - SAY

"That guy is such a player and he keeps teasing me and I can't read him." - ATTRACTS

I think it's great we get a woman's perspective on here though. A question I'd like to ask you - if you find out the guy you've been dating studies Pick-Up / has read books on becoming an Alpha Male, etc ... is it a turn-off ? Will it make him less attractive ?

And stop by in the chat like Hobbit said - it's good fun .

I will try and stop for a chat - but I've tried just now to login on the chat page and it just comes up as 'error'.

No, I don't think knowing he was using these techniques would put me off. I think some men just develop it anyway - through experience. So the fact that they've read it through a book makes no difference to me - it's the attitude that counts.

I do think there's some truth in what you say about what a woman, says and what she really feels, and it's the same with men. I wish I was the type who could just jump into the bed with a hot guy but I'm not - I've learnt that from experience.

Some men are VERY bad at picking up women - I've had a guy come up behind me and lay a hand on my shoulder in quite a possesive way and ask me what my name was - it was so cringeworthy that the second time he did it I became aggresive and told him to back off and not touch me again!! My ex-boyfriend was very good - becuase he was so relaxed. I had no idea who he was until he tapped me on my shoulder and complimented me on my dress - but I could see in his eyes straight away that he was the relaxed ''Lets just chat'' type, and wasn't desperate!!

FA,

Is it true that all women secretly hate each other

Hey hey hey!

I think you oversee what every woman oversee whenever they think about the way they want the man to act.

You dont just want any man to act that way, you want the right man to act that way. You automatically picture the man who comes up to you as someone you have doubts about but who could rescue the situation if he behaves. A guy who will win in he can refrain from fucking up. You dont think about the guys who are too hot to make mistakes like Brad Pitt and you dont think about the losers who wouldnt win even if they spoke like a poet.

The first step for a guy is to learn enough to speak like a poet so that he can rescue the situation. Second step is for him to stop being a loser. Third step is to become Brad Pitt.


You women always state the obvious "I want a nice guy". Eeeh, no, thats not true. You want a guy who attracts you but if you have the choice between two attractive ones you go for the nice one.