So, there's this girl that I've been really good friends with since high-school, never kissing or doing anything, just friends, and occasionally, I hang out with one of my really good friends, her and her big sister, just chilling and having fun. I haven't been running game on her sister (hell, I don't really "run game", TBH I don't know much about pick-up at all), but about a week ago, I randomly bumped into her going out. She knows my girlfriend of 5 years recently left me and was all "Oh, we gotta find you some girls" etc, so we walked around, kinda sarging I guess, but ended up without any prospects, and just stood talking - she said stuff like, "I'd really kiss you if you weren't (lets call her sister Jane) Janes good friend, you're sooo good looking, soo smart etc", stuff like that. So, we danced for a while and I tried to advance things a bit, but not with much luck.

Later, I found out she has a thing going with another guy. So anyway, I didn't give this too much thought over the next week and incidentally had some random sex with a 17-year old girl I picked up (I'm 21, it's legal). Then New Years eve, me and another guy ended up at their party, with those two sisters and some other guys. Basically, their apartment has two bedrooms, a kitchen and a bathroom, and one of the rooms was empty of people more or less most of the time. I'm pretty drunk, so I can't really remember what we talked about, except we end up in the room alone, she's with her back up against the wall, and I start kinda coming closer to her, at which point she's all "Nah, it wont work blabla". I'm kinda confused by this, as she pulled me in the room. Anyway, for whatever reason, I'm standing up against this wall and we're just talking, when something happens that utterly stuns me:

From like, 50 centimeters away, she flungs her head towards me and starts kissing me passionately. Like, movie-shit. It takes me at least 10 seconds to figure out what the hell to do and kiss her back. It takes another ten seconds of passionate kissing till the door opens (we're kinda behind it, so whoever opened couldn't see us immediately), and she exits the room without looking at me or saying anything. I'm alone in the room, quite shocked. It takes me a little while to recompose myself. I figure I can either wait for her to come back in or just go out and pretend like nothing whatsoever happened, and I go with the latter, pretty much walking straight into the bathroom, spending some more time to recompose myself - yeah, I was really that shocked. I guess not a very PUAish thing to be, but I didn't let anyone notice really. And this girl is extremely hot and cool. So anyway, I go back out to the party, which is as it was before, so I just talk with some of my friends etc. Now I'm obviously looking to get in the room alone with her again, so at some point I talk to her and we end up there again. We kiss for some minutes, but for whatever the fuck reason she's still all "nah, this isn't okay" - I think it's the combination of her sister and the fact that she's quasi-seeing soemone. Anyway, the rest of the party decides to take off to some clubs, and leaves only the two of us. We go to her bed and start making out. To cut a long story short, we end up without clothes and start fucking, but get cut off again, due to the combination of no condoms (yes, we were drunk enough to think it a good idea to fuck without one for a while) and her still feeling bad or something. All the while she is flattering me with superlatives that I've heard no girl - not even my fucking girlfriend thru 5 years - using on me, that im fucking sexy, blablabla. Anyway, we end up not finishing the fucking, and she says stuff like "You can sleep here", but I have a really hard time remembering why I didn't - I can see why PUAs dont drink much. But in short - what the hell? It seems she wants me, yet can't because of her self.

I just can't figure out what to do now - I really want to see her again and f-close her. Yet I have the feeling that almost no matter what I write her, she'll answer something like "Yeah I had a really good time but this doesn't work" etc. I can deal with her stuff (is it the thing you guys call shit-tests?) in face-to-face action, but texting over the phone, I think I'd lose. I'm really confused here - sorry for the long story as well, figured the more details the better. Hope to get some help here, thanks guys.

First off all this is a good and happy story...!!

second I think if you want to drive her crazy YOU should tell HER stuff like "NO we cant because of bla bla..", then you're thing will become more exciting in her eyes and she will definitely be into you, if you'll chase her too obviously you can forget about F-closing..

good luck

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Awesome way to put it. You want to disqualify her before she disqualifies you, that way she is on the back foot, and raises your value in her eyes. As a result of this, she'll be more compliant to wanting to hang out again, and you can escalate when you guys hang out

Best of Luck.
~JR*

Thanks for your posts, seems like solid advice. I'm wondering how to effectuate it though - it's been two days now, and I figure if I want anything to happen, I'm going to have to text her, I feel pretty sure she won't text me. Yet I can't really text her without it being obvious that I'm coming on to her. But I think the idea of keeping a bit of forbiddenness/mysteriousness is great. I'm just quite unsure how to go about it practically. Should I just do nothing and make her wonder, or text her, and what things should I text her? (Yea - I'm new to this )

You should definitely do something, because if not she will not come to you (it's to awkward), you know her better then us... and I still believe that you should NOT come on her (after edit): well not obviously.. EYES ON THE BALL

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I feel pretty sure she won't contact me. There's obviously the chance of me running into her at a party or something but it might not be in the near future at all, so wouldn't really want to risk it. But my question is then, what should I do? Text her something like "Hey, thanks for a nice night [expression works better in my language i guess], too bad we can't do it again " - Or is that stupid? Without the smiley?

If your looking for a clear cut answer on what you should do, I will give it a shot: First off, don't text her at all if you think your going to run into her this week... If you usually don't see this girl then start out with a text that sounds something like this : "I'm gonna finish what we started! But I gotta put you on hold right now while I take care of a few things.... Later"

Now here's the important part. Don't text her anything back that day NO MATTER WHAT she says. Post back her replies if you get any, and we can go from there.

Good Luck and trust me when I say DON'T text back until you've been on the forum. Also text it verbatim. Don't add any smiley faces or emoticons or any of that crap.

I'm not quite sure about that one, it might be slightly too direct, maybe something like

"look, I don't want the other night to ruin our friendship so, lets continu hanging as friends, wanna go out and help me find a GF?"

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The first idea is too direct, definitely not my style. I like the second idea, although we've never really hung out just the two of us, only together with her sister etc. I think something along the lines of not ruining our friendship might work - tho I have a feeling this girl is a bit different from other girls, not oneitis, she's from a baltic culture, and I have some sort of feeling that she might be looking for a bit more of a "nice guy"-type than what girls usually do, and might be just tempted to reply something like "That's great, I like us as friends too" rather than trying harder to get me. I don't think I'm gonna run into her this week. Should I text her today or tomorrow? Or later?

.. have you learned NOTHING?
..that's what she says, you're an adventure for her, something exacting and somehow forbidden..
that is what she is going to say, and she will think she believes it, but if you'll say it first it will drive her crazy + it will show you actually like her

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don't forget that this girl that is "looking for a nice guy", was in a way all over you and you did slept together (in a way)

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Heh, I get the point. I'm an AFC, so bear with me So I'm going to text her tomorrow something along those lines of having us still be friends etc. I'll report back with her answer. Thanks for the help guys, it's really much appreciated.

Two more points and I'll leave it alone:
DO NOT ever think this girl wants a "nice guy". Get that outta your head right now. You better be the "bad boy".

I totally forgot that you are BFF with her sister. Now since your not writing us asking how to make your "friend" your "girlfrirnd" im gonna assume she is a lot hotter than her sister (your friend). Now im gonna make another wild assumption: I bet her sister has had a crush on you forever (since platonic friendships are extremely rare - someone always wants to F* the other person) Now this sister thing puts a weird spin on everything. First of all she can't "date" you openly EVER because of the sis competition dynamics. its very possible that this girl just wanted to prove to herself that she can have you (since her uglier sister can't) - Also she might of done it to have ammunition the next time they get into a big blowout fight. Sisters have weird coniving relationships with each other usually and you may be just a pawn.

Otherwise I stand by my original text strategy: Keep it Naughty and Keep it Secretive. She won't be able to resist the urge to keep a "bad boy" on the side. Especially if its her sisters BF - that's even more of a reason to have "dirty sex" with you !!

Just my 2 cents but im willing to bet on it

Good Luck either way !!!

Interesting points. As far as their relationship, yeah, the older sister is hotter. They're both good-looking girls but yeah. As far as our friendship, I'm almost completely certain that she isn't interested in me. I've known her for 5 years, been drunk beyond safe and reasonable a ridiculous amount of time, and not once have we as much as kissed. She has never come on to me. Occasionally, at her drunkest moments, she'll tell me how good-looking she thinks I am etc., IOI I guess, but in short, I don't think she's interested. Apart from that, you're obviously right in that their being family plays a big part here. I suppose the fact that it's a bit forbidden 'cause they're sisters might work both for and against me. Probably not a big chance of ending up dating the girl, but that's not really what I'm looking for either.

I'm going to text her tonight. Something along the lines of "Hey X, it was a nice night but I guess it really is best if we just stay friends. [Maybe adding "Sadly. " here?]" but im not really too happy about it, so any suggestions for spicing it up a bit would be more than welcome.

Edit: I'm getting quite confused. It seems that there's two distinct, almost opposite, ways to go around this, either being a direct bad-boy or driving her mad with not wanting her. I can see the merits of both, but can't decide. The latter would be more natural to me, I think.

I think it's perfect!.. no need for "sadly" or something like that

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